Make no mistake, this is very much a Jerrance thing vs a Self thing
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (November-December 2016)
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Make no mistake, this is very much a Jerrance thing vs a Self thing
I should say not, instead of vs.
It makes no difference, they are both recruiting for KU, both very well connected in Ilinois. Kansas going after Illinois recruits is the least surprising thing, now or in the future. Having said that, I doubt that this is what caused JT's decision not to sign, but they saw an opportunity to possibly get involved.
Chris Yates
Recruiting Correspondent
- Michigan
If Western Kentucky gets involved, we'll know he gawn. Seriously. Read up on that recent little gem of a recruiting hotbed. Rick Stansbury always gets his man.
Yep. We have to remember that these kids were barely in elementary school when we were good. Start winning and these problems go away!
You do know that a lot of the schools getting 5 Stars players that were mentioned above have Sucked for a long time right ? So just Winning doesn't explain why their recruiting has gone through the roof when they now have Coaches with a past history of being known cheats.
I don't remember him saying that. I recall he mentioned pride of playing for the state school and his relationship with the coaching staff.
Either way, I personally doubt that him not signing has anything to do with waiting to see if Groce gets fired. Unless he is trying really hard to get Groce fired.
I disagree. If Tilmon was concerned about winning he wouldn't be considering Stl. Ford can't win no matter how much talent he has. Tilmon along with everyone else in the world knows that.
That was Damonte.
Coach has been on the hot seat on and off for months now, so doubtful that's the real reason for Tilmon reneging. It appears to be more of a brainwash job by other teams and/or players trying to get him to change his mind. In spite of all the drama, hope he stays true in committing to UI.
Believe Twitter if you wish, but Tilmon is being manipulated by outside forces.
Of course they are. Any team is playing dirty that's isn't Illinois. I think he isn't going to sign without knowing about Groce either. He might of believes that with this class Groce would be off the hot seat and maybe he hasn't seen that and is waiting to see
Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
Kansas is possibly the dirtiest basketball program of all time.
Maybe people acting this way are not basically worthless necessarily, but for sure are not completely honest or can be trusted to keep their word.
BTW, from one USAF vet to another, happy veteran's day to you and all other vets in all branches of the military! Now go out and eat for free today!!
Chris Yates
Recruiting Correspondent
- Michigan
Last winter, one of my friends who's deeply connected in University of Michigan athletics said this: The recruitment of Josh Jackson (number 1 recruit in 2016) is the dirtiest recruitment in a decade, and wherever he goes will undeniably be the program willing to be the dirtiest in the country. Guess where Josh Jackson landed?
In the wise words of Aaron Rodgers, RELAX
WiscIllini
- Madison, WI
If Groce were let go after this season any of the 2017 players would be able to get out of their LOIs without question. This is not the reason Tilmon has not signed.
Granted recruiting rankings don't mean everything, but if you go over to 247Sports and plug JT into SLU's recruiting class, their ranking is lower than Illinois' currently is.
Coupled with the fact that the rest of SLU's existing roster has much less talent than Illinois, I can't see them making any sort of national splash at any point that JT would be there.
By stringing together a few more classes in a row after 2017, they absolutely could down the road and Goodwin would be a major part of it - just don't see it happening in their first 2 years (look at TAMU last year).
Coupled with the fact that the rest of SLU's existing roster has much less talent than Illinois, I can't see them making any sort of national splash at any point that JT would be there.
By stringing together a few more classes in a row after 2017, they absolutely could down the road and Goodwin would be a major part of it - just don't see it happening in their first 2 years (look at TAMU last year).
Do we know if the staff is still in contact with Tillmon? Of if he's shut them down ala Goodwin.
Of course not. Not only for practical matters (there is no risk) but even relationship-wise, it is like saying that he loves Groce and wants to make sure he plays for Groce and no other coach, but at the same time bombarding Groce's fate and recruiting class by not signing at the last minute. It is a huge contradiction.
What happened so far (Tilmon not signing) has been a very negative development for Groce.
I do not know what national splash means, but if that were to happen, they would have two 5-star players in Tilmon, Gordon plus Goodwin, the same player that all Illini fans praised as the "glue", possibly more important than Tilmon, the endless worker, the culture maker, etc. - obviously, that was before he went to SLU.
On the other hand, Nunn already left and Hill, Mav, Abrams, Thorne, and Tate are all leaving.
It is a really bad development thus far and we can just hope that the situation is reversed soon.
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