Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2016)

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Magoo said:
What was this good news exactly? A silent verbal? [emoji1]

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nope no silent anything and who knows what will happen a year from now. JG just has heard enough to believe we didn't need to take a PG last year and a PG/combo plus 2 other combos this year.
 
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BillMo said:
we didn't stop recruiting Scruggs till we got some very good news from not one but 2 in 2018 that plus having Trent let JG make the decision to go after more important needs
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You sound very "matter of fact" about it, so my question is, "which two?"
 
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Joel Goodson

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Kathy said:
You sound very "matter of fact" about it, so my question is, "which two?"
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2018 5 star PGs Courtney Ramey and Ayo Dosunmu. Both have visited. Ramey may have visited twice. Both appear to be quite interested.

This info is pretty well known to those dialed in to recruiting. One doesn't have to be an insider or subscriber to a premium service to know this.
 
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Kathy said:
You sound very "matter of fact" about it, so my question is, "which two?"
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the 2 i'm talking about are Gordon and Ramey, but Dosunmo and Garland also ad to the mix. There is a long time to go one anyone for 2018, but there is enough positive vibes to make taking 3 pg/combos in 2017 really made no since

It also had a lot to do with JG showing TL TF and DW some support

and no I'm not an Insider nor do I pay for premium info
 
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Who are we keeping tabs on at Simeon nowadays?
 
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7yearillini said:
Am I the only one who doesn't believe this is how it actually went down, notwithstanding the quotes about being a difficult conversation?
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I agree, I think a lot of people on this board read way more into that quote than reasonably should have been. I don't know where everyone got the idea that Groce had to say "you are not welcome here". I think it was just a frank and open discussion about what Scruggs was looking for, what the Illini had to offer, and how that under the newest circumstances Illinois was not going to be the best fit for him. Groce didn't dump him, they discussed the relationship and decided to just be friends.
 
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Epsilon said:
Who are we keeping tabs on at Simeon nowadays?
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Could be any of Kezo, Messiah Jones, Kejaun Clements or one of the younger players Smith always seems to have in abundance. I don't think we're going to end up with Ramey or Dosunmu so Brown might be a plan if he's really back from whatever ailed him last year.
 
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miketherevelator said:
Could be any of Kezo, Messiah Jones, Kejaun Clements or one of the younger players Smith always seems to have in abundance. I don't think we're going to end up with Ramey or Dosunmu so Brown might be a plan if he's really back from whatever ailed him last year.
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You make room on the roster for Ramey or Dosunmu. Brown, not so much. He is not good enough at this point in time, imo. With only possibly one scholarship available, he would not be a priority with Lucas and Frazier on board. You only take more than one and worry about spots later for a major talent. I don't see Brown in that category.
 
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SescIllini

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I hope we have a good relationships with instate coaches, especially Simeon. The relationship between Simeon and Illinois has been good to both programs.
 
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TCTORNADO

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Crean's in home w/KAW yesterday, ended up being at open gym. You've got to love the guy to his right in the orange shirt. :)
 

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bobbob said:
I agree, I think a lot of people on this board read way more into that quote than reasonably should have been. I don't know where everyone got the idea that Groce had to say "you are not welcome here". I think it was just a frank and open discussion about what Scruggs was looking for, what the Illini had to offer, and how that under the newest circumstances Illinois was not going to be the best fit for him. Groce didn't dump him, they discussed the relationship and decided to just be friends.
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I don't sense that many on here have the impression that JG told Scruggs he is not welcome. I do think he likely told him they were going in a different direction and this was likely based upon both conversations with '18 recruits as well as with Scruggs. The bottom line is though that none of us know for sure how that conversation went down other than what has been publicly shared.
 
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Any chance that's wilkes dad next to crean? What do we know about Kigab. It's quiet here for an official this weekend
 
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WestCoastIllini1 said:
Are the Illini still a player in this recruitment? If MSU passes on him, what are the realistic outcomes?
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Doubtful. Eastern has indicated that he wants to play point guard. I don't think we can promise him that.
 
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WestCoastIllini1 said:
Are the Illini still a player in this recruitment? If MSU passes on him, what are the realistic outcomes?
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He's talked about visits to Missouri but not us, so I'm doubting there any realistic outcomes for ILL and Eastern at this point.
 
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SummerofGeorge said:
I don't sense that many on here have the impression that JG told Scruggs he is not welcome.
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zpfled said:
Why would the Scruggs camp go along with the story of Illinois saying "no thanks" if it wasn't true? What incentive would they have to do that?

That alone is why I believe the narrative that says Illinois broke up with Scruggs, rather than vice versa.
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Joel Goodson said:
2018 5 star PGs Courtney Ramey and Ayo Dosunmu. Both have visited. Ramey may have visited twice. Both appear to be quite interested.

This info is pretty well known to those dialed in to recruiting. One doesn't have to be an insider or subscriber to a premium service to know this.
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Thank you. I've just become interested in recruiting, and it's addicting. lol
 
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t7nich

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TCTORNADO said:
Ben Howland and Miss. State offered Mayan Kiir today after an open gym visit. Now that makes for an interesting competition partner for Groce.
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I find it interesting because Miss State already has a handful of underclassmen bigs. Should be a tough sell to get Kiir on board if he’s really looking for immediate playing time. But I’m sure stranger things have happened.
 
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Obelix

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zpfled said:
Why would the Scruggs camp go along with the story of Illinois saying "no thanks" if it wasn't true? What incentive would they have to do that?

That alone is why I believe the narrative that says Illinois broke up with Scruggs, rather than vice versa.
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Recruiting is a business about relationships and there are many reasons why recruits and coaches say things to preserve image and goodwill, not only for themselves but also the other party. No different than when schools allow recruits to say they have "offers" when in many cases they are not committable, or schools telling recruits to say they are not considering their school anymore, when in reality they let recruits know they have gone another direction, or coaches dropping their name from consideration for job openings right before announcement. It happens all the time for both recruits and schools.

Coaches (and recruits) are not naive. They most often know their chances. And it is not lack of integrity either. Just because a recruit schedules a visit, does not mean every schools getting a visit has the same chances. Scruggs and Wilkes are examples of that. It does not mean that their visit (or planned visit) was not genuine. But that does not imply equal chances either.

Other than the coaches and recruits (and/or family) nobody really knows the exact communication during the course of their recruitment. But it was no secret that Scruggs (and Wilkes) were longshots. Groce is not naive. The most likely scenario is not that Illinois preferred someone else over Scruggs and said "no thanks.". But they did not want to take the chance of waiting for someone who was considered a long shot instead of getting a very good player (but lower ranked) with a guaranteed commitment.

I am sure Scruggs lost no sleep and shed no tears, and his family handled it perfectly. But it does not mean that is was a "preference" decision with everything else being equal, despite the respectful statement by the family. JMO.
 
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