Don't they get a monthly stipend?
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (Week of May 10th, 2021)
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- Grand Rapids, Michigan
I couldn't think of a more grossly inaccurate analogy. A kid spends years developing his skills, most of them are playing both in high school and hitting the road for the AAU circuit, and you say it's a luck? And you want the millions/billions they generate from their work and effort, none of that should go to them, but instead to the beauracrats who run the sport? I have a hard time understanding how someone thinks they're entitled to distributing money that way. The free market certainly disagrees.
Why should others get to extract all the profit from the entertainment value the players create? There are millions upon millions of dollars going to people who aren’t actually doing the thing that is bringing in that money. This is indentured servitude mentality.
Building off that, academic scholarships are routinely funded and marketed by 3rd party companies who use it for PR purposes. Look at all the case study competitions out there sponsored by consulting firms. Those kids are “sponsored”. The idea that the so called amateur athletics system spoils academics if kids get paid is absolute nonsense when companies and employers routinely pay for kids to go to school. It’s all a garbage propaganda game to keep the money flowing where it always has.
Yes, and a lot of what was formerly profit to the school now goes to the coaching staff (e.g. basketball head coaches making $8+ mil and assistant coaches now being offered $1.5 mil/ season) without compensating the players beyond a free education.
Krombopulos_Michael
- Aurora, Illinois (that’s a suburb of Chicago)
Confused why this is in quotes as if an 18 year old who is legally an adult is not in fact legally an adult. Whether you view them as an adult is irrelevant to the point.
Regardless, I’m not seeing any argument against adults making money off of the value generated by themselves and their own work.
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"All the profit?" This statement is too extreme. What about the value of the education they receive, the support services (I used to tutor college athletes and every athlete irregardless of revenue sports gets these types of support), coaching, exposure? Most players never get to a professional league. Those that don't would either have to pay for their own expenses or not pursue sports. Anyone with kids knows how expensive it is to have top notch coaching. Where would that money come from for the underprivileged families?
I am not arguing that there be no payments, but its my opinion that there are important non-monetary benefits provided to college athletes that are often overlooked.
So you're saying they should get paid their market value for the money they generate for their professional franchise but not for the money they generate for their school? I fail to see the logic there.
All tuition suggests is that you agree they should be compensated but you're imposing your own salary cap on them which varies from school to school.
MoCoMdIllini
- Montgomery County, Maryland
Hey, wanna be posterized on Twitter? It'll be fun....
Yes it should. It should be either or IMO. Does the science major get to keep all the money he or she makes on important discoveries they make while in college? No they don’t. They pay they own way and the school still gets the bulk of the profits so why are athletes supposed to be treated so different?
The quotes are for folks that say 'he/she is still a kid' when some team rule is broken and they are of the opinion that the penalty is much too harsh. Either they are adults or they are kids. Not saying you are of that mindset
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Who would you say deserves the millions and millions of dollars they generate? It’s a tough issue because if the kids want to get paid they are free to turn pro and do it but there doesn’t seem to be any fairness in the current system.
At 18, these kids can do whatever they want. If they choose to participate in NCAA athletics, they have to comply with the rules in place at that time. If they don't want to comply with those rules, don't participate in NCAA athletics. It isn't compulsory.
I'm not suggesting that the rules couldn't be changed to offer the athletes some compensation - just that the athletes who voluntarily entered into an agreement knowing they couldn't receive compensation shouldn't expect to receive any.
Did you know:
Marching band scholarships are often paid for through money generated via athletics? Those scholarship recipients don't have any restrictions on profiting off their own likeness
Academic scholarships recipients have no restrictions on profiting off their own likeness
Marc Andreeseen, an Illinois alumni, founded Netscape at Illinois. This was a key "discovery" that set the foundation for the internet we know today. He got into a legal dispute with Illinois because of something similar to what you're describing
Summary? It's not as simple as you make it sound
But the rules can only be changed if those athletes advocate for themselves?
Are black immigrants who came to the U.S during the Jim Crow era wrong for being upset about these laws they knew existed? Should they not advocate for change?
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Showing my ignorance here, but was there a private settlement to the legal dispute?
Yes. Illinois won the settlement I'm pretty sure, but it was for such a minuscule amount. Now friction exists between the two parties to this day. And in the end? Marc and his friends just made a new company under a different name using the same technology.
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Yes, there are marching band scholarships. I won't claim to know it in and out. I don't think they're issued to every student. But I know athletics subsidizes it.
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Those kids should get a cut of their work too
Thanks for the knowledge
Krombopulos_Michael
- Aurora, Illinois (that’s a suburb of Chicago)
I didn’t say the schools should pay the athletes directly. Athletes are prohibited from pursuing avenues to profit off of their own image and are the only college students that are banned from this simply because they receive a free education. Are they the only students receiving a free education? No.
Let the kids make money off of their own name. Simple as that.
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