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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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This has always been my justification for this, as well as for even having high level athletics at an academic institution. It's similar to if you had a fine arts candidate who was an academic mess. If the prospective student is unable to solve the simplest of mathematical equations, but is an absolute artistic genius, wouldn't you want the university to find a way to let them in?
Oh it’s about the transfer. His grades are fine….he’s got plenty of credits. But do all those credits transfer over to Illinois and in the major he needs them in. It’s all stupid.
Nappy I_L_L
- Northern Indiana
That player was Teddy Allen former Nebraska standout transfer from a smaller community college I believe. I agree that his responses were less than proficient, or so wouldn’t have remembered that interview
That article focusing on Alabama? I’m sure you can appreciate the difference between the impact to an Alabama versus Illinois given their academic standings.
Reversion to the mean, is what we say.
Edit: show me the research that says academic focused applicants are more likely to apply to schools based on athletic success.
TheFameProtector
- Champaign
The whole academics/athletics reputation discussion all depends on the implementation. If a school lowers its admissions threshold for certain students and then those students struggle in many of its classes (due to its high standards), there may be an incentive to provide avenues to obtain better/passable grades. Depending on how far a school goes, this cutting of corners could be no big deal or it could evolve into a UNC-like grade-boosting scandal, or somewhere in between. If it veers towards the latter, then that will absolutely negatively impact the academic reputation of a school. UNC is still held in very high regard with respect to its academics, but I think most would say that scandal negatively impacted its reputation to a certain extent. Even if the cutting of corners is less egregious, any potential press that describes markedly different standards for two groups of students is terrible press. There are good points on both sides of this discussion imo, but I can understand why a university wouldn't want to open the door to that slippery slope, even though it's extremely frustrating to watch that policy prevent certain student-athletes from attending the university.
sacraig
- The desert
I don't know how it works at Illinois, but where I work, many times transfer credit decisions get passed on to faculty in the relevant department, meaning the answers can be hit or miss.
Has more to do with other things in admissions.
Kind of be nice to get top two on the list.
LOL. So true. I was there once, for a day. So flat you can see the stadium from miles away.
Additionally, athletics keep alumni engaged and emotionally invested in their alma mater. This investment gets them back to campus, and likely leads to additional endowments and donations. Athletic revenue may not directly affect academic resources, but it tangentially can lead to better facilities, which can drive enrollment.
Key words being "It's all stupid." Like others have mentioned, why would a university's athletics programs exist other than to strive for excellence by attracting the top performers in the field just like it does for academics? Again, Michigan is a prime example of an excellent academic/athletic balance; one that the leaders of UIUC would be wise to emulate. For a state flagship school especially, higher athletics success enhances the university's overall reputation lending even more credibility for academic excellence.
It's just like central Illinois with no trees and no crops that grow higher than a cotton plant.
It would be great! Two good bball players for continued success, which makes more kids apply to uiuc, which gives me job security and brings in more money for raises. Outstanding! Go get em Brad!
I don’t think it’s very similar. The university actually has a college of fine and applied arts, and portfolio is a major factor in admissions. Are we suggesting we get rid of the the DIA and create a college of basketball?
sacraig
- The desert
And more oil.
So basketweaving, and PE don't transfer well?
I think you're kind of splitting hairs here. Just because fine arts is taught doesn't mean the typical fine arts major is exempt from general academic requirements. If I fail all my high school English, history and gym classes, do I get a pass because I'm applying to be a math major? No. The point is that universities should consider the whole picture when it comes to students who excel in specialized areas, even when they don't meet all traditional requirements. Certainly academic institutions have taken to weighting extra curriculars higher than they used to. Shouldn't that apply to basketball and football players, who spend so much time on their extra curriculars that it probably leads to adverse effects on academics for many of them.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
I don't know that a great sports program by itself will convince a student (especially a good student) to choose a lesser academic school over a better one. But there is no doubt that some kids want to go to a school with a good sports program because they want to be part of that campus pride vibe. My daughter specifically identified schools with "big sports culture", even though she could have gotten into other schools with equal or better academics. College choice is complex, and the sports programs definitely influence those choices. Kansas having a good basketball program was a factor that my daughter considered when she chose to go there, over Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, CU, and other schools. It wasn't the ONLY factor -- size, the campus visit, academics, etc. all played a role. But not having a big time sports program was a disqualifier for many other schools.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
And little moisture, which makes a huge difference in the landscape without prominent landforms. I miss being able to see the grain elevators in Philo, Tolono and Sadorus from the east balcony of Memorial Stadium. A green, rich, peaceful landscape, some of the deepest topsoil on the planet, and far from uninteresting, IMO.
Visited Las Cruces many times during my undergrad years. Most depressing place I have ever spent such time. At least Vietnam was beautiful. Not sure I ever felt safer at NMSU though. That said, I hope it has changed as it does serve an underprivileged population who needs the kind of opportunities a top academic school can provide. Not sure how challenging the NMSU academic curriculum is but it has to be a challenge to recruit top academic teachers to live there.
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Didn’t EJ Liddell say part of the reason he chose OSU was because he was always a big fan of their football team?
Folks have to keep in mind that these are teenagers making these decisions as well… there are any number of factors that can go into that decision, that a fully formed adult would never consider.
He needs to get the tiger tatoo redone first.
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