Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

[IlliniKat91]

Unfortunately, this is not limited to UIUC by any means. My daughter ran track & cross country at Illinois for 2 years. Got a career-ending injury and decided to transfer to NIU to be close to home. Northern would not accept probably close to 20% of her credits from Illinois. Schools are locked into their own perception of how prestigious their academics are.

It's not about prestige. It's about money. They don't want to give a degree you paid 50% for to someone else.

 

[illini80]

It's not about prestige. It's about money. They don't want to give a degree you paid 50% for to someone else.

I think this has gotten better over the years. Last I knew Illinois was accepting many gen eds from our local community college. When I was a a kid that was unheard of. When it comes to classes within a major it’s probably a whole different story.

 

[jmwillini]

Either works for me. I see our lineup next year as

1: Larry Bird, Larry Bird
2: Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Larry Bird
3: Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Larry Bird
4: Larry Bird, Larry Bird, Larry Bird
5: Larry Bird, Larry Bird

But Larry Bird can really play anything from the 1 to the 4. This is assuming we land them all.

Also the practice reports on Larry Bird are amazing. Don't be surprised if he cracks the rotation and the NBA comes sniffing around next year.

I prefer the following:

1: More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird
2: More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird
3: More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird
4: More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird
5: More athletic Larry Bird, More athletic Larry Bird

 

[Redbull]

He needs to get the tiger tatoo redone first.

Maybe tiger is next up after kingfisher which followed alma otter? No?

 

[IlliniKat91]

I think this has gotten better over the years. Last I knew Illinois was accepting many gen eds from our local community college. When I was a a kid that was unheard of. When it comes to classes within a major it’s probably a whole different story.

Community colleges are set up to transfer credits to most universities in the same state. Private schools get touchy about what they'll take. The only way to ensure everything transfers is to graduate with an associate's, then transfer. They won't look as closely then. If you transfer before, they'll go through the transcript line by line.

For four year schools, you need to do at least the last 60 credit hours at their institution. They will try to get more if they can.

 

[dbeaverfg]

It's not about prestige. It's about money. They don't want to give a degree you paid 50% for to someone else.

Yes, I can see that also. The thing that got me was when comparing the syllabus from a UIUC course with the equivalent at NIU, they were virtually identical. When this was pointed out to NIU, the response was that they wanted her to "experience the way they taught it". Of course, that may have just been a smoke screen to get the additional tuition $$$.

 

[GBIllini]

As far as the transfers in or out I'll believe them when I see them. Just like the recruits.

 

[illinibb76]

I think the NCAA should change the credit requirements per semester and make all scholarships 6 years so that marginal, academically challenged students, that come out of poorly run school districts, could have a better opportunity to succeed and participate. It's not always the student/athlete's fault that they grow up in school districts that are underfunded and are crime ridden. They would still have 4 years of eligibility but still have the resources and pace to adjust and manage their deficiencies. More kids would graduate and become contributing members of society while competing at the level their athletic skillset matches!

 

[derrick6]

Unfortunately, this is not limited to UIUC by any means. My daughter ran track & cross country at Illinois for 2 years. Got a career-ending injury and decided to transfer to NIU to be close to home. Northern would not accept probably close to 20% of her credits from Illinois. Schools are locked into their own perception of how prestigious their academics are.

Yep, but I believe it’s about getting a minimum amount of money from students.

 

[grue2]

Would expect Texas TECH to have some decent admission requirements

From what I found, their admission policies are well below UIUC in general, and way below UIUC engineering.

Here is data on the 50th percentile of the students accepted:
- TXTech: 3.57 GPA, 1155 SAT, 25 ACT.
- UIUC: 3.83 GPA, 1350 SAT, 29 ACT.
- UIUC EE**: ?? GPA, ~1500 SAT, 33 ACT.

If we approximate that 1/2 the UIUC students apply to majors with stricter standards, then the average for those applying to the easier majors is:
~1200 SAT, 27 ACT. This is still well above Texas tech.

**EE was the first engineering department whose data I found.

More details:

Texas Tech has automatic admission based on class rank and SAT (Math and Critical Reading) or ACT score.

• If you're in the top 10% of your class, you're automatically accepted.
• If you're in the top 25% and have an ACT of at least 25 or an SAT of at least 1140, you're in.
• If you're in the top half of our class and have an ACT of at least 28 or SAT of at least 1230, you're in.
• If you're in the top 75%, and have an ACT of at least 29 or SAT of at least 1270, you're in.
• If you don't meet any of these requirements, your application will be reviewed holistically.

The colleges of Business and Engineering, as well as the honors program, only accept students who meet the automatic admission requirements. They superaccept for the exams. i.e. Take the SAT, ACT as many times as you want and send them your top score.

 

[Ghost77]

Would expect Texas TECH to have some decent admission requirements

Now that ACT and SAT are optional in Illinois for admissions, I’m wondering if that makes it easier to get into state schools vs out of states that may still have that requirement?

 

[IllinoisReg]

I think there are two reasons his ranking is going down: 1) he hasn't bounced back 100% from the injury 2) his team is loaded. They've got #4, #16, #23, #33 then #2 for next year and #10 and #24 for the following year.

So you've got a guy not at his best and more than enough talent to take over for what he does. In the videos I've watched, he's still plenty explosive but he's looked a little sloppy. Losing the dribble, poor pass, etc. I haven't seen much. Shockingly its harder to find a full game of montverde than it is any of the big illinois schools. Because there is so much talent he will sit for a couple minutes at a time, but he's still a starter on an elite team.

It sounds very positive with him, but it has sounded very positive with guys in the past. Show me the LOI, and the money, but mainly the LOI.

His ranking went down because he was wildly overrated his first 3 years in high school.

 

[Illini92and96]

From what I found, their admission policies are well below UIUC in general, and way below UIUC engineering.

Here is data on the 50th percentile of the students accepted:
- TXTech: 3.57 GPA, 1155 SAT, 25 ACT.
- UIUC: 3.83 GPA, 1350 SAT, 29 ACT.
- UIUC EE**: ?? GPA, ~1500 SAT, 33 ACT.

If we approximate that 1/2 the UIUC students apply to majors with stricter standards, then the average for those applying to the easier majors is:
~1200 SAT, 27 ACT. This is still well above Texas tech.

**EE was the first engineering department whose data I found.

More details:

Texas Tech has automatic admission based on class rank and SAT (Math and Critical Reading) or ACT score.

• If you're in the top 10% of your class, you're automatically accepted.
• If you're in the top 25% and have an ACT of at least 25 or an SAT of at least 1140, you're in.
• If you're in the top half of our class and have an ACT of at least 28 or SAT of at least 1230, you're in.
• If you're in the top 75%, and have an ACT of at least 29 or SAT of at least 1270, you're in.
• If you don't meet any of these requirements, your application will be reviewed holistically.

The colleges of Business and Engineering, as well as the honors program, only accept students who meet the automatic admission requirements. They superaccept for the exams. i.e. Take the SAT, ACT as many times as you want and send them your top score.

Texas Tech is not a prestigious degree in Texas. I worked with far more big ten alums in fortune 500s than Tech alumns. Illinois was as common as tech.

 

[grue2]

I think these stats are a bit misleading. It's all based on 4-year graduation, and a lot of students don't stick to that timeline anymore, often for very good reasons. A friend of mine finished his engineering degree in 4.5 years, went on to a top 25 law school, and is now a very successful attorney. Yet based on the 4-year metric you'd assume the university failed him in some way.

Are places still giving 4 year graduation rates? UIUC gives a 6 year graduation rate of 85% (for a 4 year degree). I did not see any 4 year numbers.

 

[the juiceman cometh]

Are places still giving 4 year graduation rates? UIUC gives a 6 year graduation rate of 85% (for a 4 year degree). I did not see any 4 year numbers.

The 27% rate cited by the original post, in regards to New Mexico St., was their 4-year rate, according to this article:

NMSU reports hopeful graduation rates amid pandemic - NMSU Round Up

New Mexico State University’s graduation rates appear to remain steady amid the pandemic compared to its northern neighbor, University of New Mexico. According to the UNM Office of Institutional Analysis graduation report, the graduation rate for 2020 which has not been officially reported, has...

nmsuroundup.com

 

[lonelytylenol]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1507731800293974016

Trevon Brazile is ranked #118. Are we overrating him based on one game? I certainly didn't watch any other Missouri games this season.

 

[RockfordIllini]

Trevon Brazile is ranked #118. Are we overrating him based on one game? I certainly didn't watch any other Missouri games this season.

Plum wasn’t on any top 100 lists either.

6’9, bouncy, can rebound, block shots and looks like he can shoot. Maybe not a star but a really nice player and would be a nice fit. Not worried about the rankings.

 

[illini27jake]

Trevon Brazile is ranked #118. Are we overrating him based on one game? I certainly didn't watch any other Missouri games this season.

Brazile is kind of raw but the potential is through the roof. 6'9 with atleast a 7 ft wingspan who can move and also showed some promise from 3 last year even though it was on limited attempts. He puts on a little more weight i feel like hes a guy who legit can guard 1-5

 

[MannyBianco]

Of course all athletics. We're talking about extra curriculars which round out the resume of an applicant. Gymnastics and wresling are just as much extra curriculars as football and basketball. And I guarantee success in non-revenue sports helps kids get into schools all the time. But value judgments are also made all the time. Let's say the university is judging two students for admission, with the same grades and test scores, and both are borderline academically. On extra curriculars, one is an accomplished concert pianist, the other is among the best theramin players in the world. Which do you think gets in first? The pianist has a much higher potential to garner prestige and publicity to the university, so of course that's going to help their admission.

And now you’re badmouthing the theramin! What is wrong with you?

 

[DICKnaggie]

Brazile is kind of raw but the potential is through the roof. 6'9 with atleast a 7 ft wingspan who can move and also showed some promise from 3 last year even though it was on limited attempts. He puts on a little more weight i feel like hes a guy who legit can guard 1-5

And he averged 10 pts per game as a true freshman. Would love to have him.

 

[jumpingjack]

Well, possibly, but is there really anything better than endlessly repeated Larry Bird jokes?

Growth plates and neck measurements are really what I came here for.

 

[lonelytylenol]

And he averged 10 pts per game as a true freshman.

ESPN shows 6.6 ppg.

 

[Govoner Vaugn Fan]

Brazile is kind of raw but the potential is through the roof. 6'9 with atleast a 7 ft wingspan who can move and also showed some promise from 3 last year even though it was on limited attempts. He puts on a little more weight i feel like hes a guy who legit can guard 1-5

sounds like Omar Payne

 

[dwpittman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1507731800293974016

Antwan Walker was a good ball player. Can't believe he's still number 21. He's got to be 50 years old by now!

 

[bringbackoldkams]

Well that's pretty poopy. Thank you for the quick summary though

Most I’m sure will disagree with this, but I think we will be completely fine losing Belo. Wish him the best, but we have bigger, more versatile guards coming in that can keep defenses honest shooting from the perimeter.