Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I think losing Nunn killed our 16-17 team. We had a good team returning with Nunn, Abrams, Black, Hill, Coleman lands and Morgan. Plus Thorne looked very good before getting hurt early on, was never healthy and struggled. Kentucky wanted him and that injury also hurt our chance emensely. . Not outstanding but a solid team that was certainly capable of making the tourney and likely would have. Just wasn't in the cards. It's not like GTown .

Nunn had to transfer and Thorne was injured. I think there’s a lesson there - you need depth - you keep trying to add talent.

Looking at our guard situation next year - as of now, we have four guards. If one gets hurt or leaves for whatever reason, we’re on thin ice. If two are out, could be a disaster. We need to add another.
 
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Nappy I_L_L

Northern Indiana
I think losing Nunn killed our 16-17 team. We had a good team returning with Nunn, Abrams, Black, Hill, Coleman lands and Morgan. Plus Thorne looked very good before getting hurt early on, was never healthy and struggled. Kentucky wanted him and that injury also hurt our chance emensely. . Not outstanding but a solid team that was certainly capable of making the tourney and likely would have. Just wasn't in the cards. It's not like GTown .
Don’t forget about incoming frosh Te’Jon Lucas😎
 
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I’m just disagreeing with your point that Ayo was joining a bubble team. We finished 12th in the B1G and went 4-14. That’s closer to Georgetown than being a bubble team.
Even in that 4-14 year we were mostly competitive. My observation is that in the 4-5 years preceding the last 3 we could not win the close games. We would often play teams even or have a small lead and give it away in the end. We found ways to loose when it didn't seem possible. This even continued into Brad's first couple of years. I remember when Finke hit what looked like a game winner only to have the other team hit one at the buzzer. The last three years we have turned this around. I remember thinking to myself these are the games we usually found a way to lose and now we are pulling them out. We still lose some close ones for sure but we are way better in those situations than we were before Brad. I give him the the credit for that, he changed our culture. Oh and Ayo had a lot to do with that and it is carrying on.
 
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Even in that 4-14 year we were mostly competitive. My observation is that in the 4-5 years preceding the last 3 we could not win the close games. We would often play teams even or have a small lead and give it away in the end. We found ways to loose when it didn't seem possible. This even continued into Brad's first couple of years. I remember when Finke hit what looked like a game winner only to have the other team hit one at the buzzer. The last three years we have turned this around. I remember thinking to myself these are the games we usually found a way to lose and now we are pulling them out. We still lose some close ones for sure but we are way better in those situations than we were before Brad. I give him the the credit for that, he changed our culture. Oh and Ayo had a lot to do with that and it is carrying on.
They were in what felt like so many close games when Hill was a Jr and Sr. That's the worst for a fan. (not worse than being a player). Just be bad and lose by 15. But man, when you hang in nearly every game and then lose...
 
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Even in that 4-14 year we were mostly competitive. My observation is that in the 4-5 years preceding the last 3 we could not win the close games. We would often play teams even or have a small lead and give it away in the end. We found ways to loose when it didn't seem possible. This even continued into Brad's first couple of years. I remember when Finke hit what looked like a game winner only to have the other team hit one at the buzzer. The last three years we have turned this around. I remember thinking to myself these are the games we usually found a way to lose and now we are pulling them out. We still lose some close ones for sure but we are way better in those situations than we were before Brad. I give him the the credit for that, he changed our culture. Oh and Ayo had a lot to do with that and it is carrying on.
There were certainly plenty of those games - Finke's missed put back dunk for the win over Providence, DMW's length of the court out of bounds inbound pass, etc. BU has overseen the change in culture and imposed the drive to win the close ones. But I think the extra effort to close out games took their toll on the team this year with the injuries, sicknesses, etc. We looked worn down by the end of the season, especially Frazier and Kofi.
 
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There were certainly plenty of those games - Finke's missed put back dunk for the win over Providence, DMW's length of the court out of bounds inbound pass, etc. BU has overseen the change in culture and imposed the drive to win the close ones. But I think the extra effort to close out games took their toll on the team this year with the injuries, sicknesses, etc. We looked worn down by the end of the season, especially Frazier and Kofi.

Frazier couldn’t see at the end of the season.
 
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There were certainly plenty of those games - Finke's missed put back dunk for the win over Providence, DMW's length of the court out of bounds inbound pass, etc. BU has overseen the change in culture and imposed the drive to win the close ones. But I think the extra effort to close out games took their toll on the team this year with the injuries, sicknesses, etc. We looked worn down by the end of the season, especially Frazier and Kofi.
They were not worn down. If so then how in the hell are you going to play in the NBA or anywhere professionally. They are young and fit. There is some truth that Trent couldn't see but he was fit. We didn't have enough length or consistent shooting outside of Plummer and Jake and we lacked length, size and strength from our guards that has nothing to do with our teams fitness. BUs team was as fit as any. They didn't lose from being tired. Our wings were relatively small and with Jake out and TF half blind the others could hit outside and Kofi was tripled. We didn't lose for being tired or not hustling.

BU us addressing those short comings in recruiting and that's obvious.

I love BU but imo he waited to long to put in the length and shooting we lacked in RJ and or Goode instead of DMW and others. That's just in the past though now but doesn't change my opinion. Now we will make those changes it seems
 
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Travis Ford had some dudes at Oklahoma State, too, and still stunk. Color me surprised if the leopard changes its spots.
But the coaching he's facing in the A10 is a notch below the B12. He's playing power conference players against mid major talent most nights. Talent will win out.
 
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Nunn had to transfer and Thorne was injured. I think there’s a lesson there - you need depth - you keep trying to add talent.

Looking at our guard situation next year - as of now, we have four guards. If one gets hurt or leaves for whatever reason, we’re on thin ice. If two are out, could be a disaster. We need to add another.
I'd agree on depth. You bet certain players won't come b/c they "need" their minutes. But look at this past year with the Illini. Kofi suspended 3 games, misses 2 games with concussion. Curbello misses half the season. RJ emergency surgery. Illnesses for Damonte, Trent, etc. Pink Eye for Trent, ColeHawk. If guys don't want to play for us b/c they are concerned about their minutes, so be it. I want guys who want to be here to win and sacrifice a few minutes, or better yet, earn those minutes with your effort so you don't have to necessarily sacrifice.
 
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lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
Even in that 4-14 year we were mostly competitive. My observation is that in the 4-5 years preceding the last 3 we could not win the close games. We would often play teams even or have a small lead and give it away in the end. We found ways to loose when it didn't seem possible. This even continued into Brad's first couple of years. I remember when Finke hit what looked like a game winner only to have the other team hit one at the buzzer. The last three years we have turned this around. I remember thinking to myself these are the games we usually found a way to lose and now we are pulling them out. We still lose some close ones for sure but we are way better in those situations than we were before Brad. I give him the the credit for that, he changed our culture. Oh and Ayo had a lot to do with that and it is carrying on.
We were 102 in KenPom the year before Ayo arrived on campus.

For comparison, Georgetown was 175 last year. Nebraska was 140.
 
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We were 102 in KenPom the year before Ayo arrived on campus.

For comparison, Georgetown was 175 last year. Nebraska was 140.
Yep and that was without Nunn one of what would be two future now NBA players who was dismissed prior to that season. Nunn was a great player and a difference maker on the court. Hopefully he learned from what was the right decision in his dismissal. He certainly was a vastly underated player by many. I hope Sincere Harris can develop into basketball player like him one day.
 
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They were not worn down. If so then how in the hell are you going to play in the NBA or anywhere professionally. They are young and fit. There is some truth that Trent couldn't see but he was fit. We didn't have enough length or consistent shooting outside of Plummer and Jake and we lacked length, size and strength from our guards that has nothing to do with our teams fitness. BUs team was as fit as any. They didn't lose from being tired. Our wings were relatively small and with Jake out and TF half blind the others could hit outside and Kofi was tripled. We didn't lose for being tired or not hustling.

BU us addressing those short comings in recruiting and that's obvious.
Trent was on fire and carrying the team in the middle of the season. He was a shell of that guy late. Was more than just his eye the last couple of games. Think his shoulder never fully recovered because he got no rest - playing 35 minutes average and all 40 in a few of the games. Kofi was not running the court but slowly jogging most of the time in the latter part of the year - the limited rest and constant beating took its toll. And being worn down makes you more susceptible to getting sick - I believe that Frazier might not have had such a problem with pink eye if he had it at the beginning of the year. Didn't seem to bother Coleman or anyone else as much.
As for how they could play in the NBA - one, they are not going to play as many minutes especially when hurt, and two, they are going to be better cared for and in better shape because that is their job - no school classes and homework, etc. to worry about. Further, in the NBA they do not typically play any more minutes than in college even though the games are longer - everyone gets more rest during the game than in college. For example, Derozan leads the Bulls in playing time with 36.1 minutes per game, about the same as Frazier, even though the games are 8 minutes longer in playing time.
You can believe that Trent and Kofi weren't tired or beat up, but based upon what I saw, I think the season had taken a toll.
 
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They were not worn down. If so then how in the hell are you going to play in the NBA or anywhere professionally. They are young and fit. There is some truth that Trent couldn't see but he was fit. We didn't have enough length or consistent shooting outside of Plummer and Jake and we lacked length, size and strength from our guards that has nothing to do with our teams fitness. BUs team was as fit as any. They didn't lose from being tired. Our wings were relatively small and with Jake out and TF half blind the others could hit outside and Kofi was tripled. We didn't lose for being tired or not hustling.

BU us addressing those short comings in recruiting and that's obvious.

I love BU but imo he waited to long to put in the length and shooting we lacked in RJ and or Goode instead of DMW and others. That's just in the past though now but doesn't change my opinion. Now we will make those changes it seems
Illinois looked tired and beat up. Being fit is one thing and being tired from a long season is another. Players pace themselves based on the length of their season.
 
#147      
Illinois looked tired and beat up. Being fit is one thing and being tired from a long season is another. Players pace themselves based on the length of their season.

Some of it was just bad luck. We’ve had plenty of players play lots of minutes and not miss a game or wear down all season. What can you do about Trent getting an eye infection and Jake hitting his shoulder both right before the tournament? And Curbelo never quite recovered from a concussion the whole season.
 
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blackdog

Champaign
#149      
I think losing Nunn killed our 16-17 team. We had a good team returning with Nunn, Abrams, Black, Hill, Coleman lands and Morgan. Plus Thorne looked very good before getting hurt early on, was never healthy and struggled. Kentucky wanted him and that injury also hurt our chance emensely. . Not outstanding but a solid team that was certainly capable of making the tourney and likely would have. Just wasn't in the cards. It's not like GTown .
Losing Nunn was a blessing in disguise. With him they probably would have won enough games to make the NCAA as a low seed that year and Whitman would have kept Gross who on paper had a decent recruiting class coming in had. (Tillman, Williams Frazier, Picket and probably would have gotten Smith) and we probably would not have gotten Underwood.
 
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