Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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JFGsCoffeeMug

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Surprised that there isn’t more criticism of the focus on Hansberry when he is ranked so low. Is it possible that we trust our staff more than the rankings?
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Surprised that there isn’t more criticism of the focus on Hansberry when he is ranked so low. Is it possible that we trust our staff more than the rankings?
When you look at coaches that are consistently good, outside of the blue bloods, they don't necessarily bring in nothing but 5 stars. Jay Wright in Villanova brought in consistent talent but rarely 5 star. Matt Painter lives off 3 star guys, Baylor is a bit more of a mix, but they won a national title with transfers and 3/4 stars. Up until very recently Gonzaga was living on 3 star guys on the occasional 4 star. I'm sure there are more and better examples, Houston maybe (gross).

My point is, successful coaches know what they want to fit their system and who can excel. If Underwood wants this guy this bad, then I have no concerns. Especially when you see him playing well in the top AAU tournaments. Just solidifies that what the saw does exist and this kid can play.
 
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Joel Goodson

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When you look at coaches that are consistently good, outside of the blue bloods, they don't necessarily bring in nothing but 5 stars. Jay Wright in Villanova brought in consistent talent but rarely 5 star. Matt Painter lives off 3 star guys, Baylor is a bit more of a mix, but they won a national title with transfers and 3/4 stars. Up until very recently Gonzaga was living on 3 star guys on the occasional 4 star. I'm sure there are more and better examples, Houston maybe (gross).

My point is, successful coaches know what they want to fit their system and who can excel. If Underwood wants this guy this bad, then I have no concerns. Especially when you see him playing well in the top AAU tournaments. Just solidifies that what the saw does exist and this kid can play.

Beilein was great at it too. Very glad he's retired. Michigan downgraded. Same thing goes for the Grinch.
 
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Jay Wright in Villanova brought in consistent talent but rarely 5 star.


Matt Painter lives off 3 star guys,
These two things are definitely not the same. We want to make championships, not be Purdue. So while I definitely agree with your point, Matt Painter is actually the argument for the other side of the perils of not landing highly ranked talent.
 
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While the article itself wrote he had an Illinois offer, he did not mention Illinois in the entire interview and said he likes frigging Michigan State. Since he is a Michigan kid, it feels like a uphill battle to me.
As BU likes to say....Bring It!!
 
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While the article itself wrote he had an Illinois offer, he did not mention Illinois in the entire interview and said he likes frigging Michigan State. Since he is a Michigan kid, it feels like a uphill battle to me.
Considering we won the last recruiting battle for a Meanstreets kid from Michigan, I'd say we have a good shot mainly due to the legend that is Tim Anderson.
 
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These two things are definitely not the same. We want to make championships, not be Purdue. So while I definitely agree with your point, Matt Painter is actually the argument for the other side of the perils of not landing highly ranked talent.

I feel like you're selling Painter short. While he hasn't done it consistently, he's had a few NBA guys. Ivey was lottery. And his tournament success is solid if not spectacular --he's got what, a half dozen S16 and an E8? I feel like he's trended up most of his career, even though he hasn't gotten to the FF yet. 247 shows him consistently getting a couple 4 stars per class.

Program is rightfully aiming high after Underwood turned things around, but I don't think I'd point to Painter for a cautionary tale --he's been pretty successful.
 
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I feel like you're selling Painter short. While he hasn't done it consistently, he's had a few NBA guys. Ivey was lottery. And his tournament success is solid if not spectacular --he's got what, a half dozen S16 and an E8? I feel like he's trended up most of his career, even though he hasn't gotten to the FF yet. 247 shows him consistently getting a couple 4 stars per class.

Program is rightfully aiming high after Underwood turned things around, but I don't think I'd point to Painter for a cautionary tale --he's been pretty successful.

Painter is the exact example of the ceiling a program has if it doesn't land elite talent. If you are happy with Purdue's level of success going forward, that's fine. If someone wants to aim higher, that's also fine. But there is seemingly a pretty solid ceiling to Purdue's current approach.
 
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I feel like you're selling Painter short. While he hasn't done it consistently, he's had a few NBA guys. Ivey was lottery. And his tournament success is not spectacular if even solid--he's got what, a half dozen S16 and an E8? I feel like he's trended up most of his career, even though he hasn't gotten to the FF yet. 247 shows him consistently getting a couple 4 stars per class.

Program is rightfully aiming high after Underwood turned things around, but I don't think I'd point to Painter for a cautionary tale --he's been pretty successful.

FYP.

Six S16's and one E8 in 17 years is awful and I know this because my Purdue friends vent about it every year. I love Undy but if that's the level of production he achieves he won't be here for 17 years.
 
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Rodgers. He grew up in Saginaw and was a big MSU fan.
You are right. I thought he was an Illinois kid since he last attended school in Chicago. However, his is from MI, basically the same area with Trey McKenney.
 
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While the article itself wrote he had an Illinois offer, he did not mention Illinois in the entire interview and said he likes frigging Michigan State. Since he is a Michigan kid, it feels like a uphill battle to me.
With every passing year, Izzo's halo fades
 
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