I like rankings that support my confirmation bias and those that do not are clearly wrongThose are the only rankings people should care about. The rest are comical.
I like rankings that support my confirmation bias and those that do not are clearly wrongThose are the only rankings people should care about. The rest are comical.
17 year old Perrin is similiar to HS SR Channing Frye IMHO. Saw him against Isreal today, handles and passes well for a big man. Scored 20 pts, tough to say how good he is until he plays collge ball. But impressed so far.That's fine for the floor. I'm thinking (RIP) Bill Russell but with Durant's scoring as the ceiling.
I don't think anyone would complain if he was a Channing Frye or a Drew Gooden. Pretty pretty pretty good.17 year old Perrin is similiar to HS SR Channing Frye IMHO. Saw him against Isreal today, handles and passes well for a big man. Scored 20 pts, tough to say how good he is until he plays collge ball. But impressed so far.
Comparing:FYP.
Six S16's and one E8 in 17 years is awful and I know this because my Purdue friends vent about it every year. I love Undy but if that's the level of production he achieves he won't be here for 17 years.
Channing Frye was a McDonalds all american. Perrin's team beat Isreal (Aurburn beat their U-20 team by 61) so lets pump the breaks on those comparisons. He's a project still17 year old Perrin is similiar to HS SR Channing Frye IMHO. Saw him against Isreal today, handles and passes well for a big man. Scored 20 pts, tough to say how good he is until he plays collge ball. But impressed so far.
There aren't a lot of coaches with as many tourney appearances as Brad. I'm not sure inexperience has been the issue.Comparing:
Weber last 6 years - no sweet 16's, 3 years made tourney so 50%
Groce 5 years - no sweet 16's, 1 year made tourney so 20%
Painter 17 years made tourney 13 of 17 years so 76%
Brad needs to make to make it to 2nd weekend, but nobody gets fired for being perennial B10 champion contender. The Ayo Kofi team had a good path to the FF but Brad's showed his inexperience. Last year's B10 champion team was one dimensional (feeding Kofi in the post). I think we may surprise people this year - good mix of experience/size TSJ Matt M blended with youth Skyy, RJ, Ty. If Coleman can have a breakout JR year ....
Well, that and the fact that he'd be like 73 years old.FYP.
Six S16's and one E8 in 17 years is awful and I know this because my Purdue friends vent about it every year. I love Undy but if that's the level of production he achieves he won't be here for 17 years.
Can't blame EJ when his best friend is Keith Randolph, an Illini football player. Friends first, man!It's certainly not a bad sign, but recall how many visits EJ Liddell made to the beloved even during and after his playing career at OSU because he wanted to have a good time with his friends. So it's not an ironclad signal, either.
There aren't a lot of coaches with as many tourney appearances as Brad. I'm not sure inexperience has been the issue.
Is Aurburn another French team?Channing Frye was a McDonalds all american. Perrin's team beat Isreal (Aurburn beat their U-20 team by 61) so lets pump the breaks on those comparisons. He's a project still
fifyI think we may surprise people this year - good mix of experience/size TSJ Matt M blended with youth Skyy, RJ, Ty. If one or two of them and/or Coleman can have a breakout year ....
I am not. I am just pointing out that sometimes people just follow their friends to fun places because they want to have fun.Can't blame EJ when his best friend is Keith Randolph, an Illini football player. Friends first, man!
Pre 2020 Brad coached NCAA tourney - record 2-4, never made it to sweet 16There aren't a lot of coaches with as many tourney appearances as Brad. I'm not sure inexperience has been the issue.
Painter: 6 S16, 1E8, 13/17 tournament invites 76%Comparing:
Weber last 6 years - no sweet 16's, 3 years made tourney so 50%
Groce 5 years - no sweet 16's, 1 year made tourney so 20%
Painter 17 years made tourney 13 of 17 years so 76%
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Painter is a decent coach. I am not sure if he would survive 17 yr were he to coach at Illinois though.Painter: 6 S16, 1E8, 13/17 tournament invites 76%
Adding to the comparison:
Bo Ryan: 2001-15: 4 S16, 1E8, 1FF, 1NC, made the tourney 14/14
(He took over a program that was humming, and "ran his system.")
Henson 1975-79: 0/4 tournament invites [Tournament of 32 teams]
Henson 1980-84: 1 S16, 1 E8, made the tourney 2/5 (40%) [48 teams]
Henson 1985-96: 1 S16, 0 E8, 1 FF, made the tourney 8/12 (75%) [64 teams]
Henson had a lot of first and second round "early exits" with 3/4 seeds (i.e. 86/87/88 were round of 32/64/32 exits)
I look at Painter as someone in the Bo Ryan mold. He has a system that works well consistently; just not to the Bo Ryan level. A quick scan of 247 recruiting history shows that he gets a pair of 4* recruits 1/2 the time, one 4* 25% of the time, and no 4*+ 25% of the time. His players tend to stick around the full 4 years, so he needs fewer recruits overall. If he were to get a stud recruiting assistant coach, I suspect things would blow up. The question is which way. Would the better talent put them over the top, or would players being recruited over break his system of four year players who know the system? I did not look in detail, but if one is getting five 4* players every 4 years (2/2/1/0), then I suspect that most of his starters are 4* talent. His bench is 3*, system trained, players.
Henson "survived" 21 years and had one more FF, and four fewer S16s. Does that one FF count that heavily?Painter is a decent coach. I am not sure if he would survive 17 yr were he to coach at Illinois though.
Well, since you asked...Henson "survived" 21 years and had one more FF, and four fewer S16s. Does that one FF count that heavily?
Lots of people happy when Henson retired because he wasn't able to recover from the Satan sanctions. And unlike Painter Henson inherited a disaster. And yes a Final Four does earn lots of extra credit.Henson "survived" 21 years and had one more FF, and four fewer S16s. Does that one FF count that heavily?
well it's real simple. We haven't made the Sweet 16 since 04-05. Underwood has failed to reach the second weekend with a 1 seed and a 4 seed. Painter has made the Sweet 16 4 of the last 6 seasons. So while, my aims are higher, and I have hopes Underwood can get us there, we look kinda stupid throwing stones at Painter.Painter is a decent coach. I am not sure if he would survive 17 yr were he to coach at Illinois though.
QED’s dead, baby. QED’s dead.Well, since you asked...
16/4 = 4, so clearly a FF is worth 4 trips to the S16.
Thus, Matt Painter = Lou Henson after applying the conversion.
QED
The next Altenberger??? /s
QED’s dead, baby. QED’s dead.