Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
professional basketball without contracts or a salary cap.

This is what happens when the NCAA didn't proactively create a system to pay players, and had one forced upon them with no guiderails.

I think NCAA basketball could run into some problems down the road. I don't watch the NBA at all, in fact the only pro sport I watch is the NFL. Part of my reason for that is, I don't like the fact that it's a new team every year. Probably the only reason I watch the NFL is fantasy football. However, no one can say that the skill level at the pro level is not much better than at the college level.

The reason I like college athletics is A) as an alum you feel some extra level of belonging with the team B) you get to see the same guys develop and improve over the course of their careers. However, if you now will start to see a new team every year, you don't know these guys, you don't have a favorite player, and the product is lesser than pro sports, well why watch college? Now if your team wins you can probably ignore the turnover because everyone likes winning. However, if your team is always a loser come portal time and now you have a team that is constantly turning over and doesn't win, well I don't think I'm going to be spending my time and money on that product. Then factor in that coaches salaries are getting insane, and thus ticket prices are getting awfully pricey, and will certain teams start taking financial hits?

Maybe just looking at the bad possibilities, but I could see it happening.
College football and men's basketball are minor league sports followed and supported like major league sports.

That's very central to my focus on the weirdness and traditions involved, because without that magic spell, you don't have a very marketable product in an objective sense.
 
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Chuck Nuggets

Dip your nuggets in my staff source sauce.
I'm done with sloppy ball handlers. Get guys who are glued to the ball. They're so deadly. Easier said than done.
 
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jjv0004

Greenville, SC

As a fan of Bama I really liked this kid at the beginning of the year. He can get to the basket and plays pretty solid defense. He struggled shooting so lost most of his playing time towards the end of the year. He would be someone who would most likely be in the program for the next 3 years because I don't see him as a pro at this point. Illinois could do worse finding a point guard for next year.
 
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Chuck Nuggets

Dip your nuggets in my staff source sauce.

As a fan of Bama I really liked this kid at the beginning of the year. He can get to the basket and plays pretty solid defense. He struggled shooting so lost most of his playing time towards the end of the year. He would be someone who would most likely be in the program for the next 3 years because I don't see him as a pro at this point. Illinois could do worse finding a point guard for next year.
Seems like a good candidate for Pitino.
 
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College football and men's basketball are minor league sports followed and supported like major league sports.

That's very central to my focus on the weirdness and traditions involved, because without that magic spell, you don't have a very marketable product in an objective sense.
I don’t think the comparison for the future lies within American sports but within global soccer. MLS is followed fairly heavily nowadays but the goal of most MLS players is to get on at a top tier European league. That’s the comparison for mid majors and high majors in basketball and football. We haven’t quite reached where high majors loan their players to lower tier teams to get them experience but that is effectively what transferring down a level is doing, just sans the opportunity to move back up do to the condensed timeline of college.
 
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It would be awesome if he played more like....

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So it seems like we might be his best option? I'm guessing he isn't an automatic take quite yet.
Agreed, either Oklahoma or the Illini depending on available minutes. Why not come back to Illinois for your final season and play in front of full arenas in the B10? I bet we get this kid if BU really wants him. I bet he ends up in Orange n Blue.
 
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MDchicago

Lake Norman NC
Seems like a good candidate for Pitino.

As a fan of Bama I really liked this kid at the beginning of the year. He can get to the basket and plays pretty solid defense. He struggled shooting so lost most of his playing time towards the end of the year. He would be someone who would most likely be in the program for the next 3 years because I don't see him as a pro at this point. Illinois could do worse finding a point guard for next year.

Would be a nice pickup. Not a great shooter, but lots of upside (5* McD AA). Athletic facilitator who could become a defensive stopper. EvanMiya has him ranked #7 of players currently in the portal.

Doubt geography is a big consideration for him, given how much he has traveled already. Hometown is Rochester, NY, but spent HS in NC (saw him play a couple times as a sophomore) and then Montverde in Florida, before picking Alabama for college (after being considered a Kentucky lean at one point).
 
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UVU's departed coach Mark Madsen (remember him?) just hired at Cal, serial IL talent pursuer Oregon, Porter Moser's Oklahoma, then a bunch of Illinois schools.

I think Justin's a bit homesick.
Mad Dog! IIRC one of the most wholesome guys in basketball back in the day.
 
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professional basketball without contracts or a salary cap.

This is what happens when the NCAA didn't proactively create a system to pay players, and had one forced upon them with no guiderails.
Hi Bash, there's a lot to think about as far as how this all plays out, but first things first...

Let's not shortchange the NCAA here. While you are absolutely correct that "the NCAA didn't proactively create a system to pay players, and had one forced upon them with no guiderails," let us not forget that the system forced upon them requires someone else to pay their 'employees' - truly a business model that any NBA owner would envy.
The NCAA loves NIL, because it allows them to continue to sidestep that 'employee' relationship, and all of the responsibilities (including payroll) that come with it. When the supremes decided the NIL case, there was a hint of wanting to see a case establishing an employer-employee relationship, and the NCAA does not want that case to happen. I think they pretty clearly allowed themselves to get forced into NIL, because it took an (illicit) economy that was successful, familiar, and already the status quo for some schools and made it the status quo for everyone, while requiring little more than a rule book change for the NCAA.

While NIL has opened Pandora's box, it hasn't yet affected the NCAA bottom line, and in that sense, it has played out exactly as the NCAA had hoped for.
 
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