Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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aaeismacgychel said:
Darn... Just beat me to it... Yeah, I think that's exactly the direction this is going. Will give both the players and the schools more security. The funny thing about the "wild west" is that it's only wild to the small folk and the ma and pa shops. But when the large oil, steel, and railroad conglomerates come to town, they'll own everything. First conferences who give the *nudge-nudge* *wink-wink* to their schools to do so will have a major major advantage over everyone else. And so long as you don't price-fix, you're probably not going to get busted for being a cartel.
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and there it is........
 
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Deep said:
Does it ever get to a point where Players are paid NIL by companies/places where they are asked to sign multi-year contracts which locks them into staying at one place?
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If I was Nike, Adidas, Reebok, - I’d be trying to sign the very best players to shoe deals while in HS, and making sure they play at the most publicized school to sell my product. I’m not sure if it’s true or not, but I read Caitlin Clark was signed by Nike and they are going to start selling her shoe.

I think that is where the legit NIL dollars benefit both the company and obviously the athlete.

I just think only the very top athletes are going to get that, and that’s way it should work.

I don’t think there’s the demand in the market to pay yearly for average players that you don’t get any return on. Boosters that want to put their name on a building do it as a legacy for themselves. Paying money to be part of an exclusive golf club membership does have tangible benefits. Playing the course, food, etc. I’m not going to tell anyone what they should do with their money, but I can’t imagine there’s a market for this (paying average players mega bucks to be on your favorite college team).
 
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AttentionDeficit said:
Hi Bash, there's a lot to think about as far as how this all plays out, but first things first...

Let's not shortchange the NCAA here. While you are absolutely correct that "the NCAA didn't proactively create a system to pay players, and had one forced upon them with no guiderails," let us not forget that the system forced upon them requires someone else to pay their 'employees' - truly a business model that any NBA owner would envy.
The NCAA loves NIL, because it allows them to continue to sidestep that 'employee' relationship, and all of the responsibilities (including payroll) that come with it. When the supremes decided the NIL case, there was a hint of wanting to see a case establishing an employer-employee relationship, and the NCAA does not want that case to happen. I think they pretty clearly allowed themselves to get forced into NIL, because it took an (illicit) economy that was successful, familiar, and already the status quo for some schools and made it the status quo for everyone, while requiring little more than a rule book change for the NCAA.

While NIL has opened Pandora's box, it hasn't yet affected the NCAA bottom line, and in that sense, it has played out exactly as the NCAA had hoped for.
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I will short change the NCAA over and over every chance I get. They need to be forced to distribute their funds and disband. No value what so ever.
 
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pruman91

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mysterio2525 said:
I wouldn't have believed if I didn't see it with my own 2 eyes. I guess the Dickinson talk is real. Illinois one of the 9 mentioned.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArtic...ketball-All-American-in-portal-207818692/Amp/
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I read the article on the 9 potential landing spots for huntie baby and it seems our chances are way down on the list ......I guess stranger things have happened before but i give the possibility of huntie being an Illini at less than 5 % , and that's a lot more than I think it should be.........Way too many other teams with ex teammates and ex coaches for me to be excited at all ......and this is huntie baby we are talking about with a lot of animosity built between us and him.............................
 
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Iamgroot

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pruman91 said:
I read the article on the 9 potential landing spots for huntie baby and it seems our chances are way down on the list ......I guess stranger things have happened before but i give the possibility of huntie being an Illini at less than 5 % , and that's a lot more than I think it should be.........Way too many other teams with ex teammates and ex coaches for me to be excited at all ......and this is huntie baby we are talking about with a lot of animosity built between us and him.............................
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I'd agree with you on our chances but the one thing I did like in that article is they mentioned are strong nil possibilities.which I think could possibly raise our chances which we all no money talks we can hope lol
 
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BashCtIllini

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aaeismacgychel said:
My guess as to what is going to happen is that this is going to turn into contractual multi-year deals with a guaranteed portion and a portion that will only become fully vested if they remain at the school for the entirety of the contract. I'd also guess these contracts will have additional perks whether it be short/long-term disability insurance, investment opportunities, bonuses, or escalators for hitting benchmarks that will be a net positive for everyone involved as it will be significantly less risky for athletes to take a guaranteed multi-year deal than risk going for year to year NIL highest bidder contracts and it will also give teams better security of their biggest talent.

In fact, if the B10 and SEC teams were to start going this route now, they could probably clean up most of the major talent. Imagine for example announcements of $4-8 million max. dollar deals which will seem exorbitant compared to the largest NIL numbers now, but say only $500K-2M of that is guaranteed where the rest is vested and escalators over a multi-year period. It will sound way more lucrative than it is for the athlete than a single year contract worth that same $500K-2M amount and if they don't like their situation at the school they can leave but they also leave the non-vested portion behind.

You get all the schools in a given major conference doing that and you should have a significant recruiting and talent advantage that will not only be self-sustaining but profitable if these School NIL Contractual companies get long-term contracts in place with large corporation advertisers.
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I don't see this happening in basketball. Just think about it, who are you going to throw that type of money at Ty Rodgers because you like his versatility? No, it would be going to the Brandon Millers of the world, and the Brandon Millers of the world don't stay in college basketball more than a year or 2. Then let's say Ty Rodgers becomes an All American in his Jr year, you could be saying great now I'll throw him some money, and he goes pro instead. Basically in basketball it would be difficult to identify someone that a long term contract would even work for.

Also, I think you're forgetting the school isn't paying the players, it's businesses and donors. I don't think any donor is going to be offering up insurance to stay with the program. Plus even if they did, the kid would have a contract with a donor and a separate contract with the school. There is still nothing legally stopping them from leaving the school. They just say whatever, I don't get the money left in my contract with donor A, but I'm just going to get someone from the new school to give me more, so big deal.

In football it is a different story, because you know you've got those guys for 3 years, at least. So you could feel more comfortable offering a superstar recruit more money. However, you will still have guys like DJ Uiagalelei who got big money and then didn't perform. But the players could still transfer. I just thing NIL, as it is, is an unfixable mess. There needs to be major actions take to level the playing field, which I don't see coming.
 
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