It's ok. I'm a nerd, too. So I can say it.Well done on MM's O&B ensemble there. As for the slagging: I plead guilty.
It's ok. I'm a nerd, too. So I can say it.Well done on MM's O&B ensemble there. As for the slagging: I plead guilty.
Not at all arguing the bolded; agree 100% and never suggested anyone should be forced to stay anywhere or continue to be taken advantage of. Maybe you are correct. I foresee college athletics becoming like minor league baseball on its new trajectory. My point is that if that happens, then the kids are going to be right back where they were before all this started - making far less money than now. Not only that, but the days of coaches making $4-$10 million a year will also be over because the money simply will not be there to sustain that business model. Games will be played in front of about 2500 fans, TV ratings will tank, and another great American pastime will go by the wayside. Just how I see it, but I may be too cynical.Not to be argumentative, but so what if interest in college basketball declines? Is it a business that needs to grow revenue? Or is it college athletics that is on some wavelength supposed to be partially an amateur sport?
If it is truly an amateur sport, then popularity going up or down simply does not matter. If it is a business, then players should be employees.
But the idea that they should FORCE kids into staying where they don't want to while making coaches and others millionaires simply isn't fair. The old system took advantage of kids.
If the new system is fair and less popular, then so be it.
I think this might be a bit too catastrophic (imagine those words coming out of my mouth!) but I agree with the sentiment.Not at all arguing the bolded; agree 100% and never suggested anyone should be forced to stay anywhere or continue to be taken advantage of. Maybe you are correct. I foresee college athletics becoming like minor league baseball on its new trajectory. My point is that if that happens, then the kids are going to be right back where they were before all this started - making far less money than now. Not only that, but the days of coaches making $4-$10 million a year will also be over because the money simply will not be there to sustain that business model. Games will be played in front of about 2500 fans, TV ratings will tank, and another great American pastime will go by the wayside. Just how I see it, but I may be too cynical.
Has something changed since this:Curbelo won’t have to sit if he transfers … Coach gets fired they will give you a waiver no matter what …
Ace won’t either from what I’ve heard … But he will need a waiver …
Has something changed since this:
He shot 100% on his threes last year. Just the type of pure shooter we’re looking for!
Non athlete students can go to school for 50 years if they want to but I'm not sure it would be good for Illinois or any school if the NCAA were to offer unlimited athletic eligibility.Non athlete students can transfer whenever they want, yes? If that's the case, NCAA will have no grounds to restrict transfers of athletes. That's what kicked the NIL door wide open.
Well, as of now, it appears the NCAA specifically states a coaching change will not be considered grounds for a waiver.Near as I can tell, the only thing that’s changed is there is reportedly at least one legal challenge to these rules. Everything else seems to be speculation.
Well, as of now, it appears the NCAA specifically states a coaching change will not be considered grounds for a waiver.
He’ll play, but I don’t see him getting any more minutes than he got last year and very possibly less just based on the numbers game if we see Shannon and Hawk return and a vet PG brought in. Now if some of what the insiders think will happen doesn’t, he’ll still need to improve his shooting to see his mpg increase over last year I think.Y
You people are talking crazy!!! He will always get his playing time. Almost every time he enters the game he single handedly changes the complexion of the game. We have nobody else on this team who effects the game like him
Yeah. so…what’s the frequency?……….Kenneth?Please let us know what the natural frequency of the NIL system is and when we may expect finally to observe it.
Especially when that one game didn’t include even a marquee team let alone matchup that the casual fan would be interested in.Drawing a conclusion from a sample size of 1! is pretty flippin' ridiculous.
Student Athletes can transfer whenever they want. They can even receive an athletic scholarship and all that entails.Non athlete students can transfer whenever they want, yes? If that's the case, NCAA will have no grounds to restrict transfers of athletes. That's what kicked the NIL door wide open.
Come to think of it, the Portal Times do feel a bit like a couple of crazy guys in trench coats grabbing Dan Rather and pulling him into an alley to interrogate him.Yeah. so…what’s the frequency?……….Kenneth?
Yeah. so…what’s the frequency?……….Kenneth?
Do these numbers include the payments on the Athletic Department debts? Last I knew the UIUC Athletic department was still 200M+ in debt, mostly for the Stadium and Assembly Hall upgrades.I can't find it now, but I think in a previous version of this thread that some poster said the "revenue-producing programs" would need a sort of GM to handle NIL, and this prompted another poster to say that there are only like two programs that turn a profit. That is definitely not true, from my research into profits by program:
1. Kentucky: $56.0 million in revenue, $31.2 million in profit
2. Louisville: 53.6M revenue, 29.2M profit
3. Indiana: 37.5M revenue, 17.1M profit
4. Duke: 35.4M revenue, 14.6M profit
5. Kansas: 34.1M revenue, 18.7M profit
6. Syracuse: 31.9M revenue, 17.6M profit
7. Ohio State: 30.1M revenue, 9.6M profit
8. North Carolina: 29.9M revenue, 17.5M profit
9. Michigan State: 28.5M revenue, 9.3M profit
10. Illinois: 27.6M revenue, 12.9M profit
11. UCLA: 26.3M revenue, 16.4M profit
12. Wisconsin: 25.3M revenue, 14.5M profit
13. Arkansas: 24.7M revenue, 13.9M profit
14. Michigan: 24.1M revenue, 11.3M profit
15. Arizona: 23.9M revenue, 13.0M profit
16. Maryland: 22.5M revenue, 10.4M profit
17. Marquette: 20.3M revenue, 7.3M profit
18. Minnesota: 19.7M revenue, 9.8M profit
19. Alabama: 19.3M revenue, 4.9M profit
20. Texas: 18.7M revenue, 1.0M profit
Quite a few basketball programs - by themselves - provide their athletic departments with several million in profit.
As I was walking to my class, I was legitimately thinking about what units any of these parameters would even have. What are the response and forcing functions? I'll need to ruminate on that before I can start modeling.Please let us know what the natural frequency of the NIL system is and when we may expect finally to observe it.
I can't find the tweet that originally went out, but from where I'm sitting, it was all phrased vaguely enough that folks could get creative to get around the transfer waiver restrictions. That's all.
The one thing that I've learned from watching college sports is that there's always a way around the rule. It's just more likely to happen with properly executed creativity and clout.
Some argue that hockey at Illinois would be profitable. This article seems to refute that: https://www.news-gazette.com/newsle...cle_811e8910-b632-5547-b11c-9bbbaaf289ab.htmlAh, you're probably right ... it would be fascinating to see what examples (if any) exist of programs outside of those two sports that turn a profit. Like an SEC baseball or Oklahoma State wrestling or something.
Please also incorporate the "counter-steering" feedback mechanism in your modeling and explanation so this trip down memory lane from my controls class in the M.E.B. 36 years ago this semester will be complete.As I was walking to my class, I was legitimately thinking about what units any of these parameters would even have. What are the response and forcing functions? I'll need to ruminate on that before I can start modeling.
Forcing is probably something like "revenue generated by NCAA basketball" and the response function is probably something like "dollars openly spent on NIL deals," but that doesn't really capture things like transfers. This system is too multidimensional for me to think about during walks to and from class.
Endless consumption of hyper-personalized, AI-generated, algorithmically fed "content" slurry beamed constantly to our faces via our phones (or worse) is a legacy we will be rightfully condemned for if that's what we leave behind for those that come after us.
my dad went to illinois stateLieb potential landing spot … Maybe a 1 for 1 swap …
Also maybe Illinois State … Know he was going to visit there …
It's ok. I'm a nerd, too. So I can say it.
This is 100% where it needs to head IMHO. However, that still doesn't take away the fact that it's no longer about the name on your jersey and more about the car you are driving and the parties you are going to. Wondering what alumni reunions will look like in the future as well. Will players have the emotional ties to a school anymore like many of our legends (dwill, dee, ayo, etc)Schools can reduce transfers by altering the terms of the NIL agreements. For a freshman, it could look like: We will pay you X/year in NIL. There is an additional 4X bonus if you graduate from UIUC. (i.e. 50% of the pay is for staying)
If nothing else, it would take a bunch of the sting out of transfers. The question is whether the students would accept the contracts, or take lower value contracts elsewhere that pay more up front.