This. This is the nuance so many do not grasp. It is one thing being the guy who has to take the end of the shot clock shot or had to take tough off the bounce 3’s. Sometimes the % goes up significantly because they get to just catch it and shoot it.
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Thanks for the reply - were Kansas' or UConn's (or SDSU's) "old guys" new transfers in, or had they been with the program several years? (Genuine question, I don't know)
Maniscalco actually played pretty well in the preseason that year for us but had foot issues that dramatically curtailed his play in the big ten.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I 100% get that, and think that's probably a fair observation as to these players specifically.
Still, it's not always the case that just because a player is good shooting off the dribble they're going to level up to great in a more catch-and-shoot context.
I do think this is an area where something like xG in soccer which takes into account the difficulty of a shot might present some interesting information. On all shots the statistical noise is insane, but with 3's you're dealing with a less chaotic but still very large dataset.
I'm a Guerrier fan, but would he be willing to be a 3rd or 4th option? I knows it's been mentioned previously he could slide next to Hawkins, but is he someone that is just trying to showcase himself for the next level, or would he be willing to take a similar ~10 ppg? Considering Brad has recruited him 3 times now, it's apparent he's wanted, but not sure what his expectations are as far as showcasing himself... and that's up in the air depending on what Shannon does. With only Shannon back he could be like a 2nd or 3rd option, but that's not factoring in a lead guard and or coleman. This is also assuming Guerrier is willing to commit before an official announcement on Shannon, which who knows if that's the case, or whether he'd want to be more of a focal point
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..Thoughts/Opinions?ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Not playing the young guys guarantees something. That you won't have experienced old guys the next year.
It's a balancing act. There are competing interests. The right answers aren't obvious.
I think, I predict, we're a little too far to the "stuff the roster with one-offs" end of the spectrum.
I'm also a little surprised more effort hasn't been made to find a transfer with multiple years of eligibility, they are out there.
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Yes he's willing to be the 4th option type guyI'm a Guerrier fan, but would he be willing to be a 3rd or 4th option? I knows it's been mentioned previously he could slide next to Hawkins, but is he someone that is just trying to showcase himself for the next level, or would he be willing to take a similar ~10 ppg? Considering Brad has recruited him 3 times now, it's apparent he's wanted, but not sure what his expectations are as far as showcasing himself... and that's up in the air depending on what Shannon does. With only Shannon back he could be like a 2nd or 3rd option, but that's not factoring in a lead guard and or coleman. This is also assuming Guerrier is willing to commit before an official announcement on Shannon, which who knows if that's the case, or whether he'd want to be more of a focal point
yup, pretty happy he found a school I dont hate
This is Awesome for Mr. Lieb! Go get 10 and 5 per game in MVC, young man. Perfect fit for him and ISU.
So we are getting a free safety/cornerback type that doesn't get drafted! I like those guys, shifty, athletic, good vision, tough! I like it!
Fair question. Off the top of my head Remy Martin was a new transfer to Kansas and Adam Flagler transferred to Baylor. No one else jumps out though.
I'm a Guerrier fan, but would he be willing to be a 3rd or 4th option? I knows it's been mentioned previously he could slide next to Hawkins, but is he someone that is just trying to showcase himself for the next level, or would he be willing to take a similar ~10 ppg? Considering Brad has recruited him 3 times now, it's apparent he's wanted, but not sure what his expectations are as far as showcasing himself... and that's up in the air depending on what Shannon does. With only Shannon back he could be like a 2nd or 3rd option, but that's not factoring in a lead guard and or coleman. This is also assuming Guerrier is willing to commit before an official announcement on Shannon, which who knows if that's the case, or whether he'd want to be more of a focal point
He ain’t gonna have a choice here …
Yep … And we’ve stayed in touch throughout the years …
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
Great choice by BL!!!!
No … But I’m friends with a lot of them …
He’s one of few on Twitter whose updates or hints I take seriously. Great person to know in college bball for sure.
Does he get his info from you?
We talk pretty frequently and share info … I get some from him … He gets some from me …
Let's pump the brakes with that train of thought because some of that same people who want to "develop" guys wouldn't tolerate a development year. We lost four seniors, as well as an All American prior to last year. That was 80%+ in every production related category. Even knowing all of that, people were going after BU(on this board) after "only" winning 20 games.
The deal with the portal fiasco is the players can't trust coaches and coaches can't trust players. Can you guarantee me that Rodgers stays after next year if he feels Kentucky calling? Heck, even the freshmen...can you tell me for certainty that after a great year, he's not going to be looking for a payday? How much is Morez getting paid? What's the budget when he comes aboard?
I feel for the coaches. Look how readily and easily for Epps, Melendez and Clark to bail. There was no hesitation. The coaches have to hedge all bets and have a CYA mentality now. It's just what it is.
This is probably what I'm concerned about. I understand the new dynamic. But we just went through a season where we had chemistry issues. Those can be mitigated with some continuity brought by guys with two and three years of eligibility left.
Last year at this time, most of this board brushed off concerns about the challenge of creating a team out of all the new parts. I'm pretty much hearing the same thing right now.
Hope it works out.
Illinicpa14
- Chicago
The last paragraph 100%
SactownIllini
- Coleman Hawkinsland
Question for someone that knows: how are players finding out about where they might go before entering the transfer portal? (Like if another coach is interested or if they can get the best NIL deal at a particular school)
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
When Bret Bielema took over the football program after the truncated Covid year where everybody got that freebie season, he invited (and got Josh Whitman to stump up the funds for) every single player on the roster to return on scholarship and have another go at it under the new staff, together, as a group. He Creaned not one single guy, spent his political capital getting a scholarship for the Desmond Dan's of the world rather than trying to burn everything down as fast as he could to get "his" players in.
A totally different approach than most new college football coaches take. And this offseason? We have the fewest departing portal players in the Power Five.
Roster stability can beget roster stability. Roster churn can beget roster churn.
Back channels...?
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