Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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That is just some writer’s opinion without supporting evidence.

Saturdaze beat me to it.
It is still the conclusion of published article, in contrast with anonymous message board posters...
 
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the national

the Front Range
I would hope he is better than Shannon. Shannon is a very streaky shooter. If it wasn't for the UCLA game I think he would be looked at as a negative from 3.
Unfortunately, he had to create a lot of those shots himself bc there was no PG. that UCLA game was him on fire (true) but he had a relatively competent setup PG.
 
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the national

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Can I ask why? To be fair, I didn't watch a lot of WVU games so I'm not a fair judge. I remember him being a terrible shooter at Iowa and teams sagging off of him daring him to shoot. And it doesn't look like he's a high assist guy. Didn't rank in the top 350 players last year in assists per game. Looks like he takes care of the ball & has a good assist-to-turnover ratio. Brings toughness & D but just don't see him adding a ton.
Joe is a thorn in every team’s side. Go back and watch his games against Iowa state. Dude was like John Lennon, he took the tuba he was given and made music. He’s not always an efficient scorer but he never stops creating on the floor.
 
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My conspiracy-mindedness will not allow me to discount the possibility that what we are suddenly hearing about DGL and Ty's abilities & potential at PG is coming from an in-house desire to get the fans off of Underwood's backside, in regards to the perceived failure to procure RayJ or <insert any PG here>...

A veritable blue and orange spin-zone of gumdrop & lollipop flavored smoke aimed directly in an upward trajectory, into our collective orange and blue a$$e$. That being said, I do dig what I'm hearing... I hope that smoke is substantive and not purely propaganda.

However, since we are all strictly dealing in hypotheticals, consider this OBVIOUS angle: Last year's struggles had WAY less to do with the absence of a pass first floor general and so much more to do with (a lack of) team chemistry and particular player(s) going off script, refusing to run the plays called by Brad. This can do way more to derail success as a team than any particular position or player acquisition.

This has been mentioned repeatedly by many level-headed fanatics, but invariably gets lost in the scrabble of "but but but muh POINT GUARD!!!"

Beyond having an alpha, best player/best scorer do most of the ball handling/dominating... having a team of selfless, team-first players with just enough dawg in them to know when to lead vs when defer to equally capable teammates is a great recipe for success, at any level of basketball.

Addition by subtraction is a real thing. MM, SC and JE are all fine hoopers, this cannot be denied. But striking the proper balance of skills & personalities is FAR more consequential to regular and postseason success than getting any one mercenary to come in and hope he doesn't Jekyll & Hyde into a me-first/team-last ball hog when push comes to shove in pressure situations as the season gets deeper in the schedule.

That is more demoralizing to fellow teammates than any other perceived failings as a team and a recipe for exactly what we all saw play out last year.

We root for a program full of skilled players, capable of moving the ball swiftly and selflessly, shooting at a high %, defending & rebounding at a high level, and getting the ball out in transition. The absolute key to success for this upcoming season relies on THIS far more than anything else.

All of that being said, apologies for the verbosity and excess "..." but the constant hand-wringing and whataboutisms in regards to Dennis/Love/Campbell/Williams/Krissa etc is mind-numbing to the point of devolving this forum into a maddening cycle of tribalistic post-mortem equine abuse.
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Honest question here. How many on here have coached at the HS or College level ? I’m being serious.
 
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I can‘t speak for everyone, but I think the items you mentioned are discussed as symptoms rather than the actual problem.

The BU supporters have been trying to defend him but the big picture is that the program under BU very clearly peaked Ayo’s last year and has been on a steady decline since then.

This offseason was supposed to be the one we reload, and that hasn’t happened. Domask and Harmon may end up being great additions but we are in an even worse position than last year PG. Saying we can’t find a PG because none match our culture is a program failure.
We get it. Same schtick on every one of your posts with a rant about Underwood.
Starting to think you actually are Squeaky.
If that is the case you will no doubt lose it at some point and get banned from here for the 10th time.
 
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Then when I say this I’m sure you will back me up on this. There are times when coaches know when they have that team that can win a lot of games even tho outsiders who haven’t seen the team’s offseason workouts/practices question the next season. A coach has that feel when there is great chemistry, improved play from players and there is a certain FEEL when to leave it alone because it will work. I get the sense BU really likes what he and the staff are seeing and feels they can win a conference and make a postseason run. Yes on the outside it’s easy to say the Illini need a PG but the coaches are seeing everyday what we are not.
 
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ginabackes00

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To me, you Fill out your roster with another PG regardless of Ty’s development at PG. We need good depth at that position. Ty will play no matter what because he brings so much to the floor. Using him as a backup PG is a bonus.
 
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Then when I say this I’m sure you will back me up on this. There are times when coaches know when they have that team that can win a lot of games even tho outsiders who haven’t seen the team’s offseason workouts/practices question the next season. A coach has that feel when there is great chemistry, improved play from players and there is a certain FEEL when to leave it alone because it will work. I get the sense BU really likes what he and the staff are seeing and feels they can win a conference and make a postseason run. Yes on the outside it’s easy to say the Illini need a PG but the coaches are seeing everyday what we are not.
I think this was reposted from the original in June 2022.
 
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frozenrope9190

Aurora, IL
The BU supporters have been trying to defend him but the big picture is that the program under BU very clearly peaked Ayo’s last year and has been on a steady decline since then.
It's been two years since Ayo's peak, one of which we won a Big Ten title. This feels a little dramatic. Of course we were going to peak in Ayo's last year, we were the #2 in the country.

Last year we struggled. Still made the tourney, though. Can we give it one more season before we start talking about steady declines? Please?
 
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Govoner Vaugn Fan

New Orleans
It's been two years since Ayo's peak, one of which we won a Big Ten title. This feels a little dramatic. Of course we were going to peak in Ayo's last year, we were the #2 in the country.

Last year we struggled. Still made the tourney, though. Can we give it one more season before we start talking about steady declines? Please?
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