Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

[Kendall Gill’s Uncle]

Then why is everyone so mad at Brad and not wanting to donate to basketball anymore?

We offered and the kid didn’t take it. He took Baylor’s money.

 

[PepeSilvia]

This entitled, spoiled baby was happy to donate and support the program when student athletes committed to four years and an Illinois degree was valued and earned. You know, when the word LOYALTY actually meant something I felt my investment was worthwhile. I’m from Lou’s era, so while I’m not necessarily a fan of the current style of leadership, it’s the state of the NCAA, B1G, NIL, transfer mayhem and lack of academics in COLLEGE sports that made me close the purse strings. I know a few others share my views.

Oh come on. This comment makes you sound like an entitled baby.

Nobody cares that you don't want to donate and that's fine just don't do it. Loyalty has never meant anything in college sports. Basically no athlete has ever cared about getting a degree and they were all helped along and ensured that they got passing grades without actually doing work.

For decades, universities and the NCAA made billions of dollars off the back of unpaid student athletes that 99% of never make money at the professional level.

 

[Kendall Gill’s Uncle]

The money doesn’t go from the school/team to the athletes. The school can’t pay them. The money is coming from the collective. So my assumption is that the funds are probably pledged for X player if they will come. When that happens, it is funded. Or the funds are with the collective and they haven’t seen a player Underwood is making a legitimate run at that they are willing to pay RayJ money for.

Unless you ask someone who runs the collective, I don’t know that anyone else really knows. People on here love to share what they know or just their opinions, so if you’re not getting a response, it’s pretty safe to assume no one knows. No need to get all irritated and sassy if no one knows. It’s not a conspiracy theory.

 

[Kendall Gill’s Uncle]

You're essentially proving my point. You were happy to donate when you got your way. But now that you're not, you're taking your ball and going home.

I don’t take this as proving your point. Your point last night was about Underwood not performing. This poster is unhappy with the state of college athletics and doesn’t want to support it. It’s their money, they can do what they want with it. I’m sure you make choices about what you give your money to.

 

[billybaroo]

The money doesn’t go from the school/team to the athletes. The school can’t pay them. The money is coming from the collective. So my assumption is that the funds are probably pledged for X player if they will come. When that happens, it is funded. Or the funds are with the collective and they haven’t seen a player Underwood is making a legitimate run at that they are willing to pay RayJ money for.

Unless you ask someone who runs the collective, I don’t know that anyone else really knows. People on here love to share what they know or just their opinions, so if you’re not getting a response, it’s pretty safe to assume no one knows. No need to get all irritated and sassy if no one knows. It’s not a conspiracy theory.

Thanks for explaining this. Pardon my ignorance. I’m the blissful type.

 

[LadyLoyalty]

Oh come on. This comment makes you sound like an entitled baby.

Nobody cares that you don't want to donate and that's fine just don't do it. Loyalty has never meant anything in college sports. Basically no athlete has ever cared about getting a degree and they were all helped along and ensured that they got passing grades without actually doing work.

For decades, universities and the NCAA made billions of dollars off the back of unpaid student athletes that 99% of never make money at the professional level.

Apparently somebody does, because I was literally replying to why people don’t want to donate. I didn’t realize only you are entitled to you share your opinions. You are wrong, loyalty did used to mean something in college sports. But thanks for the Mansplaining.

 

[WyattEarp]

Oh come on. This comment makes you sound like an entitled baby.

Nobody cares that you don't want to donate and that's fine just don't do it. Loyalty has never meant anything in college sports. Basically no athlete has ever cared about getting a degree and they were all helped along and ensured that they got passing grades without actually doing work.

For decades, universities and the NCAA made billions of dollars off the back of unpaid student athletes that 99% of never make money at the professional level.

Yes, I agree that the idea/ideals of the student athlete is a myth that many still cling to…even though most know better.
However, I disagree on a couple things here:

Basically no athlete has ever cared about getting a degree.

Not True

they were all helped along and ensured that they got passing grades without actually doing work.

Not completely true

For decades, universities and the NCAA made billions of dollars off the back of unpaid student athletes that 99% of never make money at the professional level.

Completely True!!

 

[BretMyBeachHouse]

You're essentially proving my point. You were happy to donate when you got your way. But now that you're not, you're taking your ball and going home.

We almost always spend our money in ways that comport to things we want. Are you suggesting there's something wrong with that?

 

[Kendall Gill’s Uncle]

Thanks for explaining this. Pardon my ignorance. I’m the blissful type.

You’re welcome. I’m not sure it’s 100% correct, but it’s my educated guess from what I’ve read, heard, and seen discussed. There isn’t a whole lot of clarity with this and I’m sure there is variance based on situation.

 

[RabidDawgClassic]

I don’t take this as proving your point. Your point last night was about Underwood not performing. This poster is unhappy with the state of college athletics and doesn’t want to support it. It’s their money, they can do what they want with it. I’m sure you make choices about what you give your money to.

Yes, anyone can do whatever they want with their money. No disagreement there. But this particular poster took offense to someone else being called an entitled baby for threatening to withhold money because that person didn’t get his way then also demonstrated those same qualities. Do what you want with your money, but don’t assume that donating means you have control of the levers.

Also… when did I mention anything about Brad underperforming?

 

[fulton steamer]

Yes, anyone can do whatever they want with their money. No disagreement there. But this particular poster took offense to someone else being called an entitled baby for threatening to withhold money because that person didn’t get his way then also demonstrated those same qualities. Do what you want with your money, but don’t assume that donating means you have control of the levers.

Also… when did I mention anything about Brad underperforming?

Except, collectively, it kind of does.

 

[Kendall Gill’s Uncle]

Yes, anyone can do whatever they want with their money. No disagreement there. But this particular poster took offense to someone else being called an entitled baby for threatening to withhold money because that person didn’t get his way then also demonstrated those same qualities. Do what you want with your money, but don’t assume that donating means you have control of the levers.

Also… when did I mention anything about Brad underperforming?

I agree with your point that donating doesn’t necessarily mean you have control of the levers. Although now I think they may more than ever with funding players and coaches salaries. I can see that point with the the donor in Indy’s post last night who felt Underwood was under performing and was stubborn. This poster seems to question the integrity of the whole system (which you could question how much integrity there ever was) and feels less like expecting to control things to me.

I wasn’t saying you felt Underwood was underperforming, but your post yesterday in the old thread was in reference to the donor who felt that way. I could have worded that better.

 

[Olaf B]

This is one of the weirdest places on the interwebs. But I guess I'm here for it.

 

[PepeSilvia]

Apparently somebody does, because I was literally replying to why people don’t want to donate. I didn’t realize only you are entitled to you share your opinions. You are wrong, loyalty did used to mean something in college sports. But thanks for the Mansplaining.

Lol yes. I'm totally guilt of mansplaining on a faceless message board where I have no clue what anyone's gender is.

I'm sorry you yearn for the days where you bought players with cars and duffle bags full of cash instead of NIL. The only difference is now everything is out in the open.

 

[Thaillini22]

Which is worse to do on a sports message board, Mansplaining or Manspreading?

 

[goillini316]

Boy....this used to be an enjoyable part of my day. Was always concerned that using the ignore button would cause me to miss something of substance. Anyone care to educate me on how to use it?

 

[KnoxIllini2]

 

[Calvin]

For the first 20 years or so of college basketball, the coach was also a student. Somewhere along the line it was decided that job should be a paid professional position. If you stop and think about it, why should the players be any different from the coaches?

Really? That's a fascinating bit of history. I know they used to teach classes, so it wouldn't surprise me if you go back further they were students. Makes me wonder what the current crop of coaches would be teaching. Would you take a sales class from Self?

 

[Joel Goodson]

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[Rich]

I have two different takes

- I am all for student athletes making money for institutions and conference making money off of them

- I hate the current NIL dominated recruitment and transfer system

 

[NEIlliniFan]

Boy....this used to be an enjoyable part of my day. Was always concerned that using the ignore button would cause me to miss something of substance. Anyone care to educate me on how to use it?

Happy to explain.

1. After determining you won't miss anything worth missing by a specific poster (and there's many of them on this board), click on the poster's ID/handle
2. A second window/screen will appear containing several options, among them 'Ignore'
3. Click on that link them refresh your screen.

You can reverse the process at any time

 

[doowink]

Lol yes. I'm totally guilt of mansplaining on a faceless message board where I have no clue what anyone's gender is.

I'm sorry you yearn for the days where you bought players with cars and duffle bags full of cash instead of NIL. The only difference is now everything is out in the open.

I always heard that there are 2 things that you don't want to see how they are made......bills in congress and whole hog sausage....maybe I should add a third

 

[LadyLoyalty]

I don’t take this as proving your point. Your point last night was about Underwood not performing. This poster is unhappy with the state of college athletics and doesn’t want to support it. It’s their money, they can do what they want with it. I’m sure you make choices about what you give your money to.

This

 

[nmillini]

Boy....this used to be an enjoyable part of my day. Was always concerned that using the ignore button would cause me to miss something of substance. Anyone care to educate me on how to use i

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