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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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You missed my point. The guys I mentioned were better athletesâŚâŚ without it.
chiefini
- Rockford, Illinois
Agree, Pru. What bothers me most though about this âconversationâ is the absolutism. I dislike it intensely when a person tells another he or she is just âwrongâ because they donât share the same opinion. No chance at a âwell, maybe you have a pointâ or any kind of compromise. Just âIâm right, and youâre wrong.â Also, methinks a few of those arguing are too young to have ever seen some of the best players in Illinois history compete in person as we old farts did. Much of these special playersâ greatness is lost by just watching them play in videos. I attended the game on Friday night in the front row behind the scorerâs table so I was able to witness Shannonâs athleticism close up. He is absolutely fantastic and is a very special player. I hope heâs an All-American so he gets his banner hung in the rafters like those other spectacular Illini.
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MDchicago
- Lake Norman NC
Yep, that's what a team with 3 McD All-Americans (Nick, Lowell, Marcus), a fourth player who was a top 5 NBA draft pick (Kendall), two others who were top 35 HS recruits (Kenny, Larry) and a seventh who was touted but underrated (Bardo, mostly due to missing most of his senior year of HS due to injury) looks like. 5 of the 7 played in the NBA (three 1st round picks and two 2nd round).
I get why those who weren't around to see it have a hard time believing an Illinois team really was that athletic and talented, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Agree, Pru. What bothers me most though about this âconversationâ is the absolutism. I dislike it intensely when a person tells another he or she is just âwrongâ because they donât share the same opinion. No chance at a âwell, maybe you have a pointâ or any kind of compromise. Just âIâm right, and youâre wrong.â Also, methinks a few of those arguing are too young to have ever seen some of the best players in Illinois history compete in person as we old farts did. Much of these special playersâ greatness is lost by just watching them play in videos. I attended the game on Friday night in the front row behind the scorerâs table so I was able to witness Shannonâs athleticism close up. He is absolutely fantastic and is a very special player. I hope heâs an All-American so he gets his banner hung in the rafters like those other spectacular Illini.
I wonder what his views on Barry Sanders, Walter Payton and Bo Jackson are!!
Having watched the Illini since the mid-fifties, the Flyin' Illini were without a doubt the most gifted and skilled Illini team ever. Their interior passing and quickness to get back up on a second effort to rebound were two skills that I have never seen from any team. They seemed to be on nuclear pogo-sticks.
Of course the 2005 team was gifted in maybe more varied ways and as far as other college teams, the Magic Johnson MSU team was the most dominant. No other collegiate teams stick in my memory like those three.
Of course the 2005 team was gifted in maybe more varied ways and as far as other college teams, the Magic Johnson MSU team was the most dominant. No other collegiate teams stick in my memory like those three.
I wish I knew everything like I did back when I was young. Itâs sucks being a dumb old f@rt.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
An old bull and a young bull are standing on a hill overlooking a field of cows. The young bull is excitedly jumping up and down yelling at the old bull, âletâs go old man! Letâs run down there and âgetâ us a cow!!â
The old bull pauses and looks at the young bull and says âletâs walk down and âgetâ em all.â
The moral of this story is while Sedino has some valid points, his emphatic statement lacks the wisdom and maturity to see beyond his simplistic logic. Todays modern measurable stats donât cancel out the past just because those modern tests werenât conducted as they are now.
If that were so, every athletic record would be broken in recent history. Which is not the case.
The old bull pauses and looks at the young bull and says âletâs walk down and âgetâ em all.â
The moral of this story is while Sedino has some valid points, his emphatic statement lacks the wisdom and maturity to see beyond his simplistic logic. Todays modern measurable stats donât cancel out the past just because those modern tests werenât conducted as they are now.
If that were so, every athletic record would be broken in recent history. Which is not the case.
Regarding sports fandom, most people's opinion on players/teams is relative to when they were in their teens/twenties. Recency bias is a thing, and it cuts both ways. You can see it play out over the last few pages. Once you've seen great athletes do great things, you're much less easily impressed. "Seen it before." We tend to romanticize the past, especially if a team/player has success. If the 89 team had bowed out in the first weekend like the 88 team or the 90 team, I don't know if Nick Anderson would be remembered as a "6'5", 235 lb piece of granite", or just as a guy who had a good regular season career and made it to the NBA.
I do wonder if this team makes a Final Four if Terrence will be remembered as a 6'6", 225 lb piece of granite. (He is) I know watching him in the open court, he's about as fast with a basketball as a guy that size could be. (a guy that is not named LeBron, anyway)
Here's to hoping the kids these days speak of him like many of us do the guys from our heyday.
My other thought is, what the heck does any of this have to do with recruiting? I feel like there is a better thread for this...
I do wonder if this team makes a Final Four if Terrence will be remembered as a 6'6", 225 lb piece of granite. (He is) I know watching him in the open court, he's about as fast with a basketball as a guy that size could be. (a guy that is not named LeBron, anyway)
Here's to hoping the kids these days speak of him like many of us do the guys from our heyday.
My other thought is, what the heck does any of this have to do with recruiting? I feel like there is a better thread for this...
Looks like he is really going to be a GREAT get by the staff! Hope he continues his developement on this trajectory. Excited to see him in the orange and blue!
Butler strikes me as more of a scoring "1" combo guard than DGL, who appears to be much more a "2" who has decent handles and is an OK passer. But, I see where you were going.
Homecoming 2019
- Chicago
Please be Jalen Brunson... I just want to be able to move on from that recruiting loss...
Welcome to a post-fact world! " I reject your reality, and substitute my own!"
Or Kolek
This conversation has no credibility without mentioning Theodore Nibblefarb.
Kid was special. Couldnât find anything on-lineâŚbut some will remember him.
Just a quick question: Do you define athleticism soley by measurables? Or is there room for things that particular people can do during games seem to defy physics?
I ask because if you define athleticism soley by measurables, then according to trends in the data over the last 22 years ( as we don't have data before that), players continue to get more and more athletic. However, because we don't have measurables before 22 years ago, you can't say for a fact that none of these other individual players didn't have better measurables. I can't say for a fact either way. We do know that there have been many advances in training and human performance maximization, so that is likely a factor.
On the other hand, if you define athleticism by a combination of measurable attributes AND freak things that a player seems to be able to do, then the answer for who is the most athletic player may change. Admittedly, it is very hard to compare and contrast players from differnet eras who never played with or against each other. Many of the guys that some of the others are talking about were extremely impressive athletes, who did some unbelievable things. I suppose your opinion about whether or not TJ is more or less "athletic" than them comes down to that, an opinion. You aren't necessarily right or wrong. It's your opinion, and it is valid.
band camp
- STL City
That doesn't make them more athletic. It means there is better training techniques and nutrition.
Humans haven't genetically evolved since you were born.
Oh that's easy. You just bring someone in and grab a couple of national titles.
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