Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Kendall Gill’s Uncle

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Manual3for4peat said:
I am meaning more a multiple year deal to calm down the portal. I get the covid year going away will help some with it, but a fourth plus of cellege baskebtall is switching teams each year. Not sure its sustainable. Definitely don't think it's condusive to keeping interest for the fans.
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I don’t know. I could see this affecting mid-major and lower level fanbases, but I think adding Plummer, Dain, TSJ, Mayer, Domask, Guerrier, and Harmon have increased my interest level
 
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Emerson Bigguns

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Manual3for4peat said:
I am meaning more a multiple year deal to calm down the portal. I get the covid year going away will help some with it, but a fourth plus of cellege baskebtall is switching teams each year. Not sure its sustainable. Definitely don't think it's condusive to keeping interest for the fans.
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Look at our team this year...

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ChiefGritty

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Emerson Bigguns said:
Look at our team this year...

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Good team, I like watching them, but I definitely don't have the same kind of attachment to them that I did when our guys were people I'd been following since they were juniors in HS and had evolved with the program.

The majority of players playing for multiple schools in their careers and any given recruit being unlikely to finish with the school they sign for is toxic, it just is.
 
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Poe's Law

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Manual3for4peat said:
Sure, how do you feel about them as opposed to Kofi, Ayo, and Trent though?
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Speaking for myself, I hold Kofi and Ayo in higher regard. That probably has more to do with them being consensus first team all Americans than coming to Illinois as Freshman.

But you raise a fair point, and I do build attachment to the players the longer they are here but ultimately care more about if the team is winning at a high level. All the players you listed played on a team that was a one seed in the NCAA. So as fun as this team has been to watch at their peak, give me the guys from the one seed team.
 
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Emerson Bigguns

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Manual3for4peat said:
Sure, how do you feel about them as opposed to Kofi, Ayo, and Trent though?
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I think we will still have guys like those. Luke, Coleman, Ty, Sencere (hopefully our freshmen)

Trent and Ayo had to do a lot of losing in year 1 and some extent in year two. I'd prefer to not go back to that. (Although that might be part of what makes them special to us...) If bringing in a few mercenaries a year keeps us in the conversation for B1G titles, I'm okay with that. Sometimes when you take a small step back, you fall off a cliff.
 
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ChiefGritty

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Emerson Bigguns said:
I think we will still have guys like those. Luke, Coleman, Ty, Sencere (hopefully our freshmen)

Trent and Ayo had to do a lot of losing in year 1 and some extent in year two. I'd prefer to not go back to that. (Although that might be part of what makes them special to us...) If bringing in a few mercenaries a year keeps us in the conversation for B1G titles, I'm okay with that. Sometimes when you take a small step back, you fall off a cliff.
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Oh we should do what it takes to win in any and all moments. And we seem pretty well suited to a world of buying vets in the portal.

But the system as a whole is bad for the sport as a whole.
 
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HensonHall71

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Manual3for4peat said:
I am meaning more a multiple year deal to calm down the portal. I get the covid year going away will help some with it, but a fourth plus of cellege baskebtall is switching teams each year. Not sure its sustainable. Definitely don't think it's condusive to keeping interest for the fans.
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I can see it evolving that way - players signing contracts for specific NIL dollars for a chosen length, 1 year, 2 years, etc. - out clauses for going to the NBA draft of course.

Then a salary cap to bring some balance to college basketball to not kill the sport. The blue bloods would still get more than their fair share of top talent given opportunity to make money outside their contract and wanting to play in the best conferences for the best schools etc. but at least the little guys could convince some top players to sign if they threw all their salary cap at them. And player evaluation would still be critical or maybe even more so.

Essentially it becomes a professional league which it almost is today anyway.
 
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ChiefGritty

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HensonHall71 said:
Then a salary cap to bring some balance to college basketball to not kill the sport. The blue bloods would still get more than their fair share of top talent given opportunity to make money outside their contract and wanting to play in the best conferences for the best schools etc. but at least the little guys could convince some top players to sign if they threw all their salary cap at them.
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Has no one noticed that that's exactly what's happening?

The ability to compete with and beat the blue bloods has never been more democratized than it is right now.

Illinois is a have in this system, not a have not. We should not want to put Minnesota and Northwestern on equal competitive footing to us, we should be fighting against that.
 
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BalloonsTheElephant

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ChiefGritty said:
Has no one noticed that that's exactly what's happening?

The ability to compete with and beat the blue bloods has never been more democratized than it is right now.

Illinois is a have in this system, not a have not. We should not want to put Minnesota and Northwestern on equal competitive footing to us, we should be fighting against that.
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Placing a "salary cap" just creates a pseudo-limit that teams will get around and gives the NCAA more pseudo-power that they can't be trusted to fairly implement.
 
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