Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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PizzaHutParkingLot
Indy Illini Fan said:
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I can't believe Brad is willing to tie his future to these two...
 
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Indy Illini Fan
NarrowJ said:
Why does firing someone have nothing to do with their performance?

That is an insane thing to say
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If someone is not a culture fit and causing problems … You remove them, even if they’re good at what they do …

It’s really not that insane … It’s that no one person is bigger than the team/program/company … Whatever example you want to give …

And in this case it just so happens to be the coaches son who has done nothing to deserve the position he’s in, so it just adds fuel to the fire for many …
 
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NarrowJ
jumpingjack said:
If the relationship with players got toxic enough for it to impact our ability to retain players, then he could be an offensive wunderkind and still need to see the exit. He's not and it did and he should.
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Let's get more information, and if we cant, don't we trust our athletic director to handle it?

Or do we insist on spreading rumors and crucifying people instead?
 
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Bert2022
PepeSilvia said:
I think it's placed on both and most people want Hamer gone very badly.

But go watch UConn's, Nebraska, Iowa, Purdue, Texas Tech, BYU, Florida, Gonzaga, or Alabama and legitimately watch how their offensives flow and move and tell me that you think Illinois is a well coached offensive team.

Yeah they have graded out well by the metrics but that's because they have had a ton of talent that last two years. Also, offensive efficiency doesn't necessarily tell the entire story when you light up teams like Iowa for 100+ points but struggle when you play teams that actually play physical defense. Plus, your offense is super volatile and puts you in position to lose games you have no business losing.

Metrics are great and can add a lot of context to why things work but you still need to watch games and other teams play to have the entire picture despite what the consultant class of this country may think.

If you gave Fred Hoiberg this Illinois roster this year he would have had the best offense in the country. Why is anyone excited about the 15th best offense with this roster? You had two extremely talented lottery pick type talents in KJ and Riley, an extremely skilled 7 footer that you can run your offense through and a ton of capable role players in Boswell, White, Morez, DGL, and Humrichous. The one thing they did very well was offensive rebound and basically all of Brad's teams have done that so I'm not going to credit Tyler.

Auburn has the 3rd best offense in the country and I don't know if they have a single NBA player. Like this Illini offense should have been a top 5ish offense, 15 is underselling the talent they had.
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💯 That should have been a top 5-10 offense. And it's not exactly like the rosters BU is assembling are ones that set Hamer (or anyone in charge of defensive scheme) up for success. Here's a pile of 💩 now go making something with it.
 
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NarrowJ
Indy Illini Fan said:
If someone is not a culture fit and causing problems … You remove them, even if they’re good at what they do …

It’s really not that insane … It’s that no one person is bigger than the team/program/company …

And in this case it just so happens to be the coaches son who has done nothing to deserve the position he’s in, so it just adds fuel to the fire for many …
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Indy, if he is out line and causing problems then I can get on board

But so far? I haven't seen anything?
 
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Grandpa
Behavior. Workplace. Influence. With an open portal for everyone every year, you can't be making people want to leave so badly that they actually uproot their lives and leave.
 
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RabidDawgClassic
IlliniKat91 said:
I'd agree. If he's out of pocket with players and other coaches, that's part of performance, even if his scheme is good.

Anyone have a link/screenshot of the exact rumors floating around about that? I've been through the pages here but only see references. Something more concrete would be nice.
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It sounds like both Morez and Tre wanted roles within the offense that suited their pro aspirations and less so within the offensive system designed to benefit the team as a whole. And if both players feel their futures depend on getting that freedom at other schools, they absolutely should leave. But the recent litter grounds of transfers past show way more inflated, unrealized dreams than any true success stories. Only Podz has blossomed post Illini-days.
 
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SweetLuh
I can’t wait to win 22-25 games next year, be a top 5 seed, and have everyone over react to a loss in a win or go home tourney that is pretty reliant on matchups. Fire so and so…..This kid is upset bc we didn’t kiss his butt from the start……This kids mom/dad wants more money they haven’t earned…… Rinse and repeat.
 
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IlliniFan42
jacekpardol said:
Last year the player that got a long leesh was Justin Harmon. Brad is just a horrible lineup manager and seems to get emotionally invested? I have no other way to put it? One of the worst on the high D 1 level. He started Ben H over Will, White or Morez. Last year he should have started Dain and moved Coleman to the 5.
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Move Coleman to the 5? No thanks
 
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NarrowJ
Have you been able to substantiate the claims? If you haven't, it's still a rumor

I want to see something other than message board innuendo/rumors/WAGs
 
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Indy Illini Fan
NarrowJ said:
Indy, if he is out line and causing problems then I can get on board

But so far? I haven't seen anything?
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I’m telling you what I’ve been told by former and current players and coaches … Tyler running the show is causing problems/has caused problems … Hamer running the show is causing problems/has caused problems …

It’s the Brad/Tyler/Hamer show … Many players are over it … SOME donors are over all of it including Brad and some are willing to let Brad change course and bring in new coaches … Two of our previous assistants said to heck with it …

It’s a problem … Brad can either fix it or he can roll with it but if he rolls with it and doesn’t have success in March next year … He should be prepared to be fired come season end and he can take his boy and leggings boy with him …
 
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RabidDawgClassic
IlliniKat91 said:
You can be fired for not being a good fit for the company, too. That's how at will employment works.

If a junior coach is driving away talent and more senior coaches who bring that talent in, it's time to A) correct the behavior and B) remove him if corrective measures don't work.
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Again, what talent has been driven away that has had more success elsewhere? Dain and Podz are the only two, and both took steps down in class to do so.
 
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IlliniFan42
aveseaboy said:
I think it’s fair to assume that the majority of y’all in here have the best knowledge about our program and our recruits than anyone else. Do we really want Dix? Something in my gut is telling me we shouldn’t but I obviously have 0 contribution to the final decision
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Depends on role but I like him, and I thought Storr was gonna be an awful transfer so I at least have that going for me.
 
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strobes77
Kwa Jones should have been gone after his role in the TSJ debacle … at least for me…If I recall he signed an an affidavit in support of the university’s discipline … And Tyler should never have made it above Grad Assistant
 
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