Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Some of the comments on Mirk are certainly over the top negative, but this is straight from Werner's article on his commitment. I don't think anyone here should be considered out of place to express the desire for another athletic big that can defend.
 
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If we don't tie ourselves to an athletic 4, we're going to get absolutely destroyed defensively, whether it be because of a lack of quickness, a lack of physicality, a lack of explosiveness, etc. It's great to have skilled guys, but ultimately, basketball comes down to speed, agility, size, strength, attitude and of course ability.

Not sure if you watched last night's game, the Final Four of the Elite 8. Defensively, I don't care if John Wooden was the coach, we would have gotten absolutely obliterated on the glass on both ends and we wouldn't be able to stop anyone in the paint. The pure athleticism and strength would have run us out of the gym.

I look back at the Michigan vs Auburn Sweet 16 game. Michigan was big, tall and skilled, which is great and they played with Auburn for about 60% of the game. There was a point where you could tell that they(Auburn) were fed up, guys that were getting cute got reamed out and they locked in. Michigan got absolutely destroyed at that point. They looked to be stuck in mud and Auburn just unloaded. They went on a 24-4 run(or something insane like that) and they coasted home.

That happened to the great and fan anointed as the next coming of coaching greatness, Dusty May. He saw what happened and look what they've done in the portal. They've loaded up on physical and supremely athletic players that are more equipped to handle that. Now, the one kid may end up in the NBA, but you still see where the focus is.

I'll always support who we bring in because they chose to be part of the family. That said, next year is going to be extremely disappointing if we don't add 3 or 4 plus plus athletes to the roster, with at least one being a 4. A plus plus 2 and 3 HAVE to happen.

There are a lot of people who wonder how we weren't better given the fact that we have two first rounders on the roster. It's because neither guy was prepared physically or athletically to deal with better teams. I was there at the game versus Kentucky, six rows off the floor. The ONLY guy who looked to be able to physically at with them was Boswell. His size and physical development were apparent. Outside of him, I looked at Morez and even he wasn't anywhere near strong enough or physical enough to deal with that.

This next month is going to be critical for us. If our athleticism, physical maturity and mental maturity doesn't increase a lot.... we'll be worse than last year. No more Euros and no more youth. We need experienced, explosive and players coming out of winning domestic programs to make a next level jump.
I was merely speaking on a roster spot perspective. I don't disagree that a more bruising athletic, plus defense PF might be a good fit for our team, but I don't know how we'd have a spot for a quality one. Both schollies and minutes seem pretty much filled for the 4 and 5 positions unless you're relegating Mirk to a bench depth role (we aren't).

The Ivisii, Mirk, and JJ are 4 schollies, we've got 2 fresh not expected to be more than deeper depth this year, consider 3 walkons, and an open roster spot for just in case as Brad normally does and that means you have 15-4-2-3-1=5 spots remaining to fill your remaining W/G spots. If one of the freshmen can serve as a depth G/W, that helps, but right now you've got Kylan, Ty, and Jake, you need a starting SG and W. That's already the 5 to complete the roster, and your only G/W depth is Jake and a freshman outside of super flex, Ty. If you do completely fill the roster, you probably want a backup PG or defensive W over a PF in case of injury

So that's where I'm coming from, it's not that we can't use a bruising PF that is a B10 caliber starter, it's just that I both don't think we have a roster spot or the guaranteed minutes to get that sort of player. That spot was either going to Mirk or that player you're describing. Staff chose Mirk
 
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I've been pretty impressed with the ability of posters here to avoid openly saying they think the team is "too white" while clearly thinking exactly that.
 
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Would everyone agree that the Illini will need an experienced PG to back up Kylan Boswell next season? Even Kylan needs to rest at times during games. And there are always chances of injuries and/or illnesses. I don't know who the staff might be focusing on in the portal, but I have two players in mind that might be worth looking at.

1. Malachi Smith, Dayton, 6'0" 175-pounds RS-Jr. (from the Bronx). He averaged 10.4/2.9/5.3 and shot 42.4/38.3/71.7 this past season.

2. Samage Teel, Indiana State, 6'2" 185-pound Sr. (?). He averaged 16.9/4.1/5.2 and shot 47.3/34.7/78.7 this past season.

Do any of you know of any other PGs that Illinois might be looking at?
 
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Would everyone agree that the Illini will need an experienced PG to back up Kylan Boswell next season? Even Kylan needs to rest at times during games. And there are always chances of injuries and/or illnesses. I don't know who the staff might be focusing on in the portal, but I have two players in mind that might be worth looking at.

1. Malachi Smith, Dayton, 6'0" 175-pounds RS-Jr. (from the Bronx). He averaged 10.4/2.9/5.3 and shot 42.4/38.3/71.7 this past season.

2. Samage Teel, Indiana State, 6'2" 185-pound Sr. (?). He averaged 16.9/4.1/5.2 and shot 47.3/34.7/78.7 this past season.

Do any of you know of any other PGs that Illinois might be looking at?

Getting a backup PG would be beneficial, but the names you listed are very overqualified for that role.
 
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there's a lot to like, but he definitely is far from a finished product. Fletch should help a lot (same with Z). it's gonna be interesting to see how he adjusts. I think he can be a booty ball weapon.
Fletch needs to work his magic on Z, Tomi and Mirk. And, I hope Mirk isn't going tp have any snafus with being eligible ASAP so he has time to get physically stronger and hopefully a bit more athletic. His vertical looked about 6" but he did appear very skilled and that 1 foot step back is something Ben lacked. I seem to recall Tomi being delayed from getting to campus due to some problem getting the OK as a transfer from overseas.
 
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Would everyone agree that the Illini will need an experienced PG to back up Kylan Boswell next season? Even Kylan needs to rest at times during games. And there are always chances of injuries and/or illnesses. I don't know who the staff might be focusing on in the portal, but I have two players in mind that might be worth looking at.

1. Malachi Smith, Dayton, 6'0" 175-pounds RS-Jr. (from the Bronx). He averaged 10.4/2.9/5.3 and shot 42.4/38.3/71.7 this past season.

2. Samage Teel, Indiana State, 6'2" 185-pound Sr. (?). He averaged 16.9/4.1/5.2 and shot 47.3/34.7/78.7 this past season.

Do any of you know of any other PGs that Illinois might be looking at?
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Jeez, excuuuuuuuse some of us "dumb dumbs" for wanting to get more athletic. We lost arguably one of the better athletes we had (MJ) and added 3 players that are not super athletic (Ty, Z, and Mirkovic). Good players/prospect and I'm glad to have them all. But is everyone satisfied with the athleticism of this past year's team? Would it have competed with Auburn, Duke (we already know), Houston, or FL? We haven't significantly improved that. Yes, it is super early, but other teams have added athletic transfers. I thought this was a board to express opinions. I guess it has to the the "right" opinion or one from an insider.
 
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The blueprint for success is out there. UConn the previous 2 years, Houston, Auburn, Alabama, Florida this year. You don't have to have top level freshman to win. In fact, you most likely aren't winning with them as the key pieces. Duke was the exception this year with a generational freshman in Flagg. You build a roster with athletic guys from mid-majors that have had some success and are tough and will be with you for at least a few years. Florida and Houston last night had athletes all over the place.

The difference in talent between those teams and Illinois this year and what appears to be shaping up for next year is pretty glaring. I would argue Brad is putting together an incredibly unathletic roster so far. If we want to basically just be satisfied with being near the top of the B1G and making the tournament, then I guess it's fine. I have bigger hopes for the Illini. Like what Oats has done with my other team (Bama). Many athletes and lots of experience. Clearly did not help against Duke this year but Oats has led Bama to the sweet sixteen 4 of the last 5 years and has been in the final four and the elite 8 the last 2 years. He did it by taking mid major guys and having them stick around and supplement with highly skilled and athletic freshman.
The only solid athletes with some explosiveness we have so far are Boswell and Ty. Need an athletic 2 and slashing and athletic 3 or 4( or both) to round out the roster and hopefully one of the frosh we already have can spell Boswell for 6-8 minutes/game without hurting us much. If they aren't good enough to at least do that- why would we even recruit them out of high school? Seems like plenty of freshmen on other teams can provide solid contributions for spot times.
 
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Another possible transfer Guard (a CG?) that I like is Senior Jaron Pierre Jr. of Jacksonville State. The 6'5" 188-pound Pierre is 6'5" 188-pounds, and he averaged 21.6/5.5/3.8 and shot 42.4/38.2/81.0 this past season for Jacksonville State. He'd be a great scorer off the bench, or at 6'5" he could start alongside Boswell as a SG in the backcourt. His stats show that he's a big-time scorer (21.6/game), a solid rebounder (5.5/game), and a very willing passer (3.8/game). He shot 3s very well (38.8%), and he was excellent on FTs (81.0%). I know that Jax St is not a high D-! team, but it looks like this kid is a player.

The potential transfer player that I really wish the Illini were in on is 6'4" 180-pound Junior Guard Xaivian Lee of Princeton. He's a smart, high basketball IQ, combo guard that would (imho) fit perfectly with the Illini next season. He can score (16.9 points/game), rebound (6.1/game), and pass (5.5 assists/game). His shooting is solid: 43.9% on FGs, 36.6% on 3s, and 78.9% on FTs. He can play on the ball or off the ball. Lee has interest from St. John's, Michigan, North Carolina, Notre Dame, and other high D-1 teams. Maybe Illinois would not have a chance to land Xaivian Lee? But I hope that we at least reached out to him.
 
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So far happy with the retention and the additions but I am genuinely worried about how this team is going to get stops next year with this current roster lol.

The roster currently calls for a 3 level wing/guard scorer who also grades out as a ++ defender... Those are obviously tough to come by.

I have no doubt this team will score the basketball but how will they prevent it?

Also when will we see a defensive minded, seasoned assistant coach be added?
With BU's all gas and no breaks jack if up style there is no room for defensive stoppers or minded assistant. That's why we have Hamer as well. It's a joke along with his no offense offense style.
 
#197      
Jeez, excuuuuuuuse some of us "dumb dumbs" for wanting to get more athletic. We lost arguably one of the better athletes we had (MJ) and added 3 players that are not super athletic (Ty, Z, and Mirkovic). Good players/prospect and I'm glad to have them all. But is everyone satisfied with the athleticism of this past year's team? Would it have competed with Auburn, Duke (we already know), Houston, or FL? We haven't significantly improved that. Yes, it is super early, but other teams have added athletic transfers. I thought this was a board to express opinions. I guess it has to the the "right" opinion or one from an insider.
Ty and Big Z are athletic. I think we forget ty and his put back dunks.
 
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The fact that he is playing at the Nike Hoops Summit next week suggests he will be a pretty good college player... Go ahead and look up the world team from last year. You'll recognize most of those guys by name.
Tbh, looking at last year's World roster would suggest only about a 50% chance he can be a major positive contributor next season. Taking out the guys that were not in college ball this year, (Dybantsa, Traore, Chomche), you get:

Good college starters:
- KJ
- Edgecomb
- Riley
- Malauch

Good college rotation players:
- Bidunga

Not-great college starters:
- Zoom Diallo

Spot minutes/Not-great rotation players:
- Hamad Mousa
- Annor Boateng

Good JUCO player:
- Qingfang Pang

That being said, our program's track record with these guys is great.
 
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Can I ask, honestly, how we quantify athleticism? There's a lot of discussion of who is more athletic than whom and team athleticism, but what does that even mean?

How many centibirds of athleticism were TSJ? Jakucionis? Dee Brown?

How many birds of athleticism did our team last year have? What about Houston? Duke?
 
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Malik Moore, a 6'5" 190-pound Junior Guard from Montana, looks like he'd be a nice pickup for the Illini. He's long and lanky; I like that, as long as he's athletic enough to keep up with smaller/quicker guards on defense. (Anyone know about his defense?) Moore averaged 12.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 2.4 assists for Montana this past season. He shot 45.6% on FGs, including 40.9% on 3-pointers, and 82.2% on FTs. That's a very good percentage on 3s, albeit vs. less than Big Ten level defenses.

I just don't understand how much better he might be than 6'6" 200-pound Sophomore Guard Sam Lewis from Toledo, via Simeon High School. (He just recently transferred to Virginia.) Lewis averaged 16.2 points/4.7 rebounds/1.2 assists this past season, while shooting 47.0% on FGs, including 44.4% on 3-pointers, and 76.6% on FTs. I liked that Lewis is only a sophomore, that he's an Illinois/Chicago kid, and that his numbers are as good as, if not better than, those of Malik Moore. Maybe Lewis's camp wanted more money than Illinois was willing to pay? Or more than the Illini will be paying to Moore?

In any case, I will trust the coaching staff on this one. I hope that the Illini can get a transfer from Malik Moore. He would fill a need on the roster for next season.
I think Malik would be a good fit for the off the bench G that can handle the ball and is a good shooter. He's a senior and is a 40% 3pt shooter and takes care of the ball. There are a lot of similar profiles in the portal we just need to get one of them, then get a primary scoring wing and we can start feeling a lot better
 
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