Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Poe's Law
Cozy Johnson said:
Just waiting on the proverbial "things have cooled on the Stojakevic front" message. Cup has been inserted and ready for contact
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pcvIllini
The Memphis transfer (Haggerty) is seeking more than $4 million in NIL and wants to primarily play point guard at his next stop.... I would rather have Kylan at PG.

Report: PJ Haggerty asking price revealed after entering NCAA transfer portal

Source: On3.com
https://search.app/yAyMW
 
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OrangeKrush1981
I've asked this before ont his site, hoping for someone to give a rationale for the idea that under-the-table will work in the NCAA whereas it does not (does it)?) in the NBA. Or NFL, or MLB.

So this query is not necessarily for you, Thad. Though have at it, if you feel so inclined.
 
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OrangeKrush1981
Title IX is a major part of this 'exploitation.' And yes, it is exploitation. Football guys risking life and limb for an NFL dream ought not be bound to support tennis.
 
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rtbritt
I am also surprised by this.... 20 million to a billionaire is like $100 to the rest of us normal folks...like really.
 
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IlliniNash
illinithad01 said:
I worry that as soon as they put any kind of cap on what they can receive, then the KU's and teams like that will go back to breaking the rules and paying more under the table. The NCAA will continue to pick and choose who it punishes and who it doesn't. The NCAA will never be fair on this, and we will be right back in the same spot as before, where the certain programs will get a free pass and others will be nailed. As of right now, if you have the money you can get many of these players. I know the NCAA hates having more of an even playing field.
Also, I think the real losers in the "pay era" have to be the mid-majors, or teams like Gonzaga who have had a lot of success, but may not have a conference that generates the money that the B10, SEC, ACC, etc...makes.
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Yep. It’s abundantly clear now what has happened over the many decades of basketball. Adolph Rupp and John Wooden paid players. So did the others, including Indiana, who Bob Knight tried to make it appear was so innocent. Suddenly, Kansas is taking our old players and Kentucky’s less than dominant. It’s more even now than it has ever been.
 
#433      
jmwillini
I know there are benefits of waiting, playing the gray areas, but couldn't they just pay him off ahead of time to open up a spot? Or are there rules against that/don't want to free him up for someone else?
 
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Navy_illini
pcvIllini said:
The Memphis transfer (Haggerty) is seeking more than $4 million in NIL and wants to primarily play point guard at his next stop.... I would rather have Kylan at PG.

Report: PJ Haggerty asking price revealed after entering NCAA transfer portal

Source: On3.com
https://search.app/yAyMW
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College basketball generates over a billion dollars a year even with a poorly negotiated March Madness contract

If you give players 300 million that is a lot of money going to the big schools. So yes 4 million a player is a drop in the bucket. Keep the quality up viewership and advertising will be there

www.investopedia.com

How Much Does the NCAA Make From March Madness?

The NCAA pulls in about a billion dollars each year in revenue from the tournament from media rights fees, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, and television ads.
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OrangeKrush1981
WeWillWhen said:
Let's look at this like the business it is.

The Wall Street Journal recently published figures for all Division 1 programs, here: https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/ncaa-tournament-march-madness-ncaa-team-value-98c44e14 Yes, I know that every athletic department accounts differently for various items, but for the purposes of this exercise, let's presume the figures are 'in the ballpark.' The Top 20 revenue teams average over $31.1 million.

Now look at that from the players' perspective. They could (rightly) argue that revenue is generated mainly off of their efforts. They could argue that they should earn a percentage of the revenue. They could point to the NBA, where players have negotiated a 51% of basketball related revenue. They could further argue that the cost structure in college basketball is probably lower than the NBA, due to no need to pay for major capital expenditures (arenas typically funded by donors) less travel, smaller support staff (which can be amortized across multiple sports), and that all major schools operate as non-profits (so no need to build profit into the financial model).

Is it unreasonable for players to think that schools ought to be able to share at least half of revenues with them, or $15 million-plus for the roster? And note, this is only from a share of the schools' revenue -- popular players still can earn separate monies from leveraging their names, images and likenesses.

In short, I don't think where the numbers have gotten to are all that crazy, from a strictly business perspective.
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The vast majority of schools with D1 programs lose money. A very few make some money.

Football and basketball make money, and then much of that is redistributed to the other sports. Title IX is part of that, but not all of it.
 
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OrangeKrush1981
Navy_illini said:
College basketball generates over a billion dollars a year even with a poorly negotiated March Madness contract

If you give players 300 million that is a lot of money going to the big schools. So yes 4 million a player is a drop in the bucket. Keep the quality up viewership and advertising will be there

www.investopedia.com

How Much Does the NCAA Make From March Madness?

The NCAA pulls in about a billion dollars each year in revenue from the tournament from media rights fees, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, and television ads.
www.investopedia.com www.investopedia.com
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The NCAA is some sort of pirate organization, as far as I can tell. The schools are not innocent either.

But: the vast majority of schools lose money on athletic programs. It is not "basketball" or "football" money, it is athletic department total dollars. The numbers that matter, from the point of view of the athletic department and the law, are: the revenues and costs for the entirety of a school's athletics programs. All programs --- track, swimming, tennis, golf, cross-country ....
 
#438      
OrangeKrush1981
The best three players recruited to our squad last year weren't inked until sometime in May or June. Like nearly everyone else, I was getting very nervous. It sort of worked out, though.

Which raises the possibility that, over the next few weeks (how many!), things will sort of work out. Or hopefully more than work out.
 
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BalloonsTheElephant
Who will be the guy that gets $5mil this year? I think it's trending that way. All it takes is two or three rich teams that are desperate for that one guy to fill out a roster.

I know in this new NIL world, those that have been putting guys in the NBA for decades have a bunch of rich guys that love basketball AND would love to help them win by donating. I'm sure most schools have rich alumni, but who is likely to donate, an NBA player who made $100mil+ or a businessman who made $100mil+?
 
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Altuve27
I am glad you went here. I had no idea what was going on for Dra to post that. I did some searching and, well, as you said, she really needs help. I hope she gets the help she clearly needs, and I hope DGL can find peace. He’s going through it. Quality person.
 
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illinifan1987
Does anyone know if there's a way to correctly view Twitter posts without having an account? Looking any account up shows random tweets with no date correlation. It'd be even better if someone could post a copy of all of her recent tirades (y)
 
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