Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Adding Boswell is objectively a net positive.

I still think the 5/5 rule would hurt our teams chances next year just because of the strength it would add to other teams.
If you want to win a Natty, you gotta beat everyone. You put together a great squad (we’ve done that) and you play it out. With Boswell and assuming no defections, I ain’t scared, of anyone. Anyone. Same basic team, Final Four experience, let’s GO!
 
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I HATE the proposed rule change. HATE it. That means it’s probably going to pass. Maybe I’m overreacting. Wouldn’t be the first time. This really hurts Illinois, in my opinion.

One of the big advantages we had by retaining our players was the built in comraderie and chemistry we had.

Well, if everyone is about to regain the services of multiple players, that negates, in large part anyway, what we accomplished through the retention.

Oh, and I’m sure I’ll get pushback on this but screw it. Kylan Boswell was not a good player last year. He couldn’t shoot. He was so horrific (along with Andrej) that we couldn’t afford both of them on the floor all that much. That’s why Jake Davis was starting.

And defensively he stunk. Quality guards were taking him behind the woodshed on a regular basis.

To finish the season, he had ONE basket total in the last THREE games. He was terrible. Illinois made the Final Four in spite of Kylan Boswell, not because of him. As I said yesterday, if the staff had left Boswell on Bennett Stirtz our season would have ended. Boswell was getting destroyed.

I don’t know. What would we really be getting back? An awful shooter who’s defense, at least this past season, was VASTLY overrated, or as I prefer to call it, bad.

To quote Pat Benatar, “Hit me with your best shot! Fire away.”
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1) the rule change would be a significant negative for the 2026-27 Illinois team. Move us from a consensus top 5 team to top 10.

2) I think Boswell being added would be far from certain. I think the staff is committed to QC. If QC is who the staff thinks QC is then Boswell’s role is maybe 15 minutes a game. Does Boswell want to take that role and paycheck when he could play and make significantly more elsewhere. I think the staff has and is committed to QC starting.

I’m just using round numbers but not a lot of minutes available is QC and Morillo are good.

Vaaks 30
QC 30
Dre 30
Mirk 30
Tomi 27
Z 23
Davis 15
Morillo 15
 
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Cannot speak to his defense, but the man literally fractured his shooting hand in January. I personally do not believe he ever recovered from the injury. A summer getting fully healthy, and I would expect him to be an asset if he were allowed to return.

However, you are completely entitled to your opinion.
If he can return to the defense we saw two years ago, there’s value there. I have no idea what happened this past season on that end of the floor. It wasn’t good.
 
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Soooo…… I asssume a lot of smart men and women with numerous advanced degrees will discuss the 5 in 5 rule and correctly deduce that it should be applied to incoming freshmen……. Right?
 
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I HATE the proposed rule change. HATE it. That means it’s probably going to pass. Maybe I’m overreacting. Wouldn’t be the first time. This really hurts Illinois, in my opinion.

One of the big advantages we had by retaining our players was the built in comraderie and chemistry we had.

Well, if everyone is about to regain the services of multiple players, that negates, in large part anyway, what we accomplished through the retention.

Oh, and I’m sure I’ll get pushback on this but screw it. Kylan Boswell was not a good player last year. He couldn’t shoot. He was so horrific (along with Andrej) that we couldn’t afford both of them on the floor all that much. That’s why Jake Davis was starting.

And defensively he stunk. Quality guards were taking him behind the woodshed on a regular basis.

To finish the season, he had ONE basket total in the last THREE games. He was terrible. Illinois made the Final Four in spite of Kylan Boswell, not because of him. As I said yesterday, if the staff had left Boswell on Bennett Stirtz our season would have ended. Boswell was getting destroyed.

I don’t know. What would we really be getting back? An awful shooter who’s defense, at least this past season, was VASTLY overrated, or as I prefer to call it, bad.

To quote Pat Benatar, “Hit me with your best shot! Fire away.”
My brother in Christ, adding another year for the homegrown, worth his weight in chemistry gold, veteran “captain” who was selfless and team-focused in helping train the younger guys would be nothing but a positive across the board.

His playing concerns only started when he broke his hand. He came back as quickly as he did because we were in serious need of having him back. Give him a summer to heal further, a summer to lead the team and younger guys again, and we’d be a force. Never mind the fact that he fills the one role many on here have had concerns with.

I think the only risky part would be other guys like Coleman and Andrej, if it affects their commitment like adding Blackwell was going to do. That’d be the only argument I could entertain why adding Boswell would be a negative aside from how others have expressed it means other teams get stronger from their graduating class.
 
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Lets just say Boz does come back .

We were concerned about minutes with Blackwell , wont this be the same problem ?
On the other hand, an EDG returning for a third season in the system as a super senior would be an incredible asset if healthy. I think this is an entirely different scenario than bringing in a one-year mercenary who was being recruited for a different role who wanted to handle the ball more.

I believe a healthy Boswell on the team next year would be a pleasant surprise. If the rules don't change, I believe we will still be fine.
 
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Lets just say Boz does come back .

We were concerned about minutes with Blackwell , wont this be the same problem ?
Blackwell would've been a threat to usage for Andrej (and our other starters) in addition to being a threat to playing time for anyone vying for a starting spot (a good problem to have if everyone's on board, and evidently they weren't).

Bos (or someone like him) would set a nice floor for a starting spot without being a threat to our starters' usage, and the other guys vying for playing time would see a better chance of beating him out for it.
 
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On the other hand, a EDG returning for a third season in the system as a super senior would be an incredible asset if healthy. I think this is an entirely different scenario than bringing in a one-year mercenary who was being recruited for a different role who wanted to handle the ball more.

I believe a healthy Boswell on the team next year would be a pleasant surprise. If the rules don't change, I believe we will still be fine.
Considering character and leadership, do you think he’d take slightly lesser usage (helping develop Coleman, Morillo, Brown)? Or do we think he’d go back to being starter?

I would wonder if he’d enter the second rotation to be an asset off the bench, but maybe he could view that as a hindrance on his draft stock? I know he’s been vocal on pushing for the NBA so I’m honestly curious. I could see some sensitive conversations on usage and start/bench topics needing to be navigated to keep who we have while bringing him back.
 
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On the other hand, an EDG returning for a third season in the system as a super senior would be an incredible asset if healthy. I think this is an entirely different scenario than bringing in a one-year mercenary who was being recruited for a different role who wanted to handle the ball more.

I believe a healthy Boswell on the team next year would be a pleasant surprise. If the rules don't change, I believe we will still be fine.
Agreed. But we have no idea if Boswell would even want to return if the rule were to be passed.

Lots of "ifs" here.
 
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Oh, and I’m sure I’ll get pushback on this but screw it. Kylan Boswell was not a good player last year. He couldn’t shoot. He was so horrific (along with Andrej) that we couldn’t afford both of them on the floor all that much. That’s why Jake Davis was starting.

And defensively he stunk. Quality guards were taking him behind the woodshed on a regular basis.

To finish the season, he had ONE basket total in the last THREE games. He was terrible. Illinois made the Final Four in spite of Kylan Boswell, not because of him. As I said yesterday, if the staff had left Boswell on Bennett Stirtz our season would have ended. Boswell was getting destroyed.

I don’t know. What would we really be getting back? An awful shooter who’s defense, at least this past season, was VASTLY overrated, or as I prefer to call it, bad.

To quote Pat Benatar, “Hit me with your best shot! Fire away.”
I don't think you're off much of all. KB just wasn't anywhere close to the expected level in 12 games post-injury. Also thought his "all defense" team B1G was off his rep and not how he actually performed. As you alluded, quick guards were taking him to the woodshed.

Given what he's shown, at times, in his 2 years here for what I'd consider his true senior season, he'd be a welcome "addition" for a good looking guard trio of him-Vaaks-Coleman
 
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I HATE the proposed rule change. HATE it. That means it’s probably going to pass. Maybe I’m overreacting. Wouldn’t be the first time. This really hurts Illinois, in my opinion.

One of the big advantages we had by retaining our players was the built in comraderie and chemistry we had.

Well, if everyone is about to regain the services of multiple players, that negates, in large part anyway, what we accomplished through the retention.

Oh, and I’m sure I’ll get pushback on this but screw it. Kylan Boswell was not a good player last year. He couldn’t shoot. He was so horrific (along with Andrej) that we couldn’t afford both of them on the floor all that much. That’s why Jake Davis was starting.

And defensively he stunk. Quality guards were taking him behind the woodshed on a regular basis.

To finish the season, he had ONE basket total in the last THREE games. He was terrible. Illinois made the Final Four in spite of Kylan Boswell, not because of him. As I said yesterday, if the staff had left Boswell on Bennett Stirtz our season would have ended. Boswell was getting destroyed.

I don’t know. What would we really be getting back? An awful shooter who’s defense, at least this past season, was VASTLY overrated, or as I prefer to call it, bad.

To quote Pat Benatar, “Hit me with your best shot! Fire away.”
Torvik had Boswell as our second best offensive player and our third best defensive player and that’s with him playing a third of the season on a broken hand:

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He’s an unselfish player (4th amongst starters in usage), a strong leader, and a decent to good defender, which this team doesn’t have a whole lot of right now.

I’d take him back in a heartbeat.
 
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CBM and Burnett both missed over 1/2 season in 20-21 due to injury
Bittle missed nearly the entire 23-24 season due to injury

Those aren't a hard no yet

Editing to add my reasoning for keeping the door open for these guys is because I don’t think they’ll just tell all current players they don’t get credit for seasons missed due to injury prior to instatement of the new system
5-in-5 means no medical redshirts. That's just part of the deal. That's the "in-5" portion. If you are healthy all 5 years and play every single game in that 5 year span, good for you. If you're injured 2 out of 5 years, so you only play 3 full season within that 5 years, that's tough luck.

Now, I'm sure they'll grandfather in players who were expecting to play this upcoming season on a medical redshirt, but if you had already exhausted your 4 years, and part of that is a redshirt (so you've been around for 5+ years to exhaust your 4 years) it would make no sense to allow you to come back, because you would not have been eligible under 5-in-5, even if it had been implemented when you were a prep recruit. In other words, you would have been ineligible this upcoming season under any rule. The old one and the new one.
 
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5-in-5 means no medical redshirts. That's just part of the deal. That's the "in-5" portion. If you are healthy all 5 years and play every single game in that 5 year span, good for you. If you're injured 2 out of 5 years, so you only play 3 full season within that 5 years, that's tough luck.

I get the basic concept of it.

Now, I'm sure they'll grandfather in players who were expecting to play this upcoming season on a medical redshirt, but if you had already exhausted your 4 years, and part of that is a redshirt (so you've been around for 5+ years to exhaust your 4 years) it would make no sense to allow you to come back, because you would not have been eligible under 5-in-5, even if it had been implemented when you were a prep recruit.

This is the part I'm wondering about, and I am not relying on people involved to do anything that makes sense either given recent history (Covid to now).
 
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Agreed. But we have no idea if Boswell would even want to return if the rule were to be passed.

Lots of "ifs" here.
...and IF it would apply to players who are already out of eligibility under the current rules.

I just can't imagine the NCAA supporting this measure if it was going to throw that level of chaos into the coming year... Forget basketball... think of what it would do to football programs this year...

I think some form of the rule is coming, but I'd be very surprised if they choose to apply it to anyone but incoming players. The idea that it would apply to guys who are done seems like it would be a non-starter from the NCAA perspective. I don't think anyone is going to get excited about a remedy that makes everything significantly worse in the short-term, especially when it doesn't have to be that way...

This isn't being enacted by a court order. It's a negotiation.
 
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...and IF it would apply to players who are already out of eligibility under the current rules.

I just can't imagine the NCAA supporting this measure if it was going to throw that level of chaos into the coming year... Forget basketball... think of what it would do to football programs this year...

I think some form of the rule is coming, but I'd be very surprised if they choose to apply it to anyone but incoming players. The idea that it would apply to guys who are done seems like it would be a non-starter from the NCAA perspective. I don't think anyone is going to get excited about a remedy that makes everything significantly worse in the short-term, especially when it doesn't have to be that way...

This isn't being enacted by a court order. It's a negotiation.
Enacting it for incoming players and not current players will result in a class action lawsuit. They will apply it to all student athletes.
 
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It would be a 6th (but 5th with the injury), not 7th

Anyway we are all agreeing how unlikely it is most of those players would actually return, no need to take up 2-3 pages nitpicking a list
It would be his 7th season on a roster. He played through 12 games at Texas tech, one injury season at Alabama and one healthy year, and three years at Michigan. It would be his 6th playing year.
 
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Kylan Boswell IMHO probably came back at least a month early from the broken hand. He wanted to be able to help his team in his last year, and they needed his defense. Illinois wasn't really using him to his strengths. He did what he was asked to do. Look at him with three or four more weeks healing time and being used like he was in the P.I.T games recently. Seems like a different guy.
 
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Torvik had Boswell as our second best offensive player and our third best defensive player and that’s with him playing a third of the season on a broken hand:

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He’s an unselfish player (4th amongst starters in usage), a strong leader, and a decent to good defender, which this team doesn’t have a whole lot of right now.

I’d take him back in a heartbeat.
That’s great and all, but I know what I saw. Bruce Thornton dropped 40 on him. Nick Boyd had 38. Donovan Dent had 14 points and 15 assists and went WHEREVER he wanted to on the floor. Alabama’s guards did whatever they wanted all night. We talked about the Stirtz barbecue job in the Tournament.

IF he were to return, I am NOT expecting Kylan to stop elite players. They are elite for a reason, but we need to stop allowing 30-40 point burgers quite so frequently.
 
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