Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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lstewart53x3
Altuve27 said:
I HATE the proposed rule change. HATE it. That means it’s probably going to pass. Maybe I’m overreacting. Wouldn’t be the first time. This really hurts Illinois, in my opinion.

One of the big advantages we had by retaining our players was the built in comraderie and chemistry we had.

Well, if everyone is about to regain the services of multiple players, that negates, in large part anyway, what we accomplished through the retention.

Oh, and I’m sure I’ll get pushback on this but screw it. Kylan Boswell was not a good player last year. He couldn’t shoot. He was so horrific (along with Andrej) that we couldn’t afford both of them on the floor all that much. That’s why Jake Davis was starting.

And defensively he stunk. Quality guards were taking him behind the woodshed on a regular basis.

To finish the season, he had ONE basket total in the last THREE games. He was terrible. Illinois made the Final Four in spite of Kylan Boswell, not because of him. As I said yesterday, if the staff had left Boswell on Bennett Stirtz our season would have ended. Boswell was getting destroyed.

I don’t know. What would we really be getting back? An awful shooter who’s defense, at least this past season, was VASTLY overrated, or as I prefer to call it, bad.

To quote Pat Benatar, “Hit me with your best shot! Fire away.”
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Torvik had Boswell as our second best offensive player and our third best defensive player and that’s with him playing a third of the season on a broken hand:

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He’s an unselfish player (4th amongst starters in usage), a strong leader, and a decent to good defender, which this team doesn’t have a whole lot of right now.

I’d take him back in a heartbeat.
 
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the juiceman cometh
NarrowJ said:
CBM and Burnett both missed over 1/2 season in 20-21 due to injury
Bittle missed nearly the entire 23-24 season due to injury

Those aren't a hard no yet

Editing to add my reasoning for keeping the door open for these guys is because I don’t think they’ll just tell all current players they don’t get credit for seasons missed due to injury prior to instatement of the new system
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5-in-5 means no medical redshirts. That's just part of the deal. That's the "in-5" portion. If you are healthy all 5 years and play every single game in that 5 year span, good for you. If you're injured 2 out of 5 years, so you only play 3 full season within that 5 years, that's tough luck.

Now, I'm sure they'll grandfather in players who were expecting to play this upcoming season on a medical redshirt, but if you had already exhausted your 4 years, and part of that is a redshirt (so you've been around for 5+ years to exhaust your 4 years) it would make no sense to allow you to come back, because you would not have been eligible under 5-in-5, even if it had been implemented when you were a prep recruit. In other words, you would have been ineligible this upcoming season under any rule. The old one and the new one.
 
#1,379      
NarrowJ
the juiceman cometh said:
5-in-5 means no medical redshirts. That's just part of the deal. That's the "in-5" portion. If you are healthy all 5 years and play every single game in that 5 year span, good for you. If you're injured 2 out of 5 years, so you only play 3 full season within that 5 years, that's tough luck.
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I get the basic concept of it.

the juiceman cometh said:
Now, I'm sure they'll grandfather in players who were expecting to play this upcoming season on a medical redshirt, but if you had already exhausted your 4 years, and part of that is a redshirt (so you've been around for 5+ years to exhaust your 4 years) it would make no sense to allow you to come back, because you would not have been eligible under 5-in-5, even if it had been implemented when you were a prep recruit.
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This is the part I'm wondering about, and I am not relying on people involved to do anything that makes sense either given recent history (Covid to now).
 
#1,381      
Emerson Bigguns
Combo said:
Agreed. But we have no idea if Boswell would even want to return if the rule were to be passed.

Lots of "ifs" here.
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...and IF it would apply to players who are already out of eligibility under the current rules.

I just can't imagine the NCAA supporting this measure if it was going to throw that level of chaos into the coming year... Forget basketball... think of what it would do to football programs this year...

I think some form of the rule is coming, but I'd be very surprised if they choose to apply it to anyone but incoming players. The idea that it would apply to guys who are done seems like it would be a non-starter from the NCAA perspective. I don't think anyone is going to get excited about a remedy that makes everything significantly worse in the short-term, especially when it doesn't have to be that way...

This isn't being enacted by a court order. It's a negotiation.
 
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BackThatPassUp
NarrowJ said:
It would be a 6th (but 5th with the injury), not 7th

Anyway we are all agreeing how unlikely it is most of those players would actually return, no need to take up 2-3 pages nitpicking a list
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It would be his 7th season on a roster. He played through 12 games at Texas tech, one injury season at Alabama and one healthy year, and three years at Michigan. It would be his 6th playing year.
 
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Deacon05
Kylan Boswell IMHO probably came back at least a month early from the broken hand. He wanted to be able to help his team in his last year, and they needed his defense. Illinois wasn't really using him to his strengths. He did what he was asked to do. Look at him with three or four more weeks healing time and being used like he was in the P.I.T games recently. Seems like a different guy.
 
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RollChief
March2TheArch said:
This guy a Loyalty poster?
https://twitter.com/x/status/2047309105526722592
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I would bet serious money that at least 80% of Illinois sports Twitter folks and beat writers are some of the posters swimming around on this board...

Someone could probably do a pretty effective writing style scrub reconciling published articles against writing style on here, so careful what you post... (not a threat, I'm not smart enough for all that haha)
 
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wc_illini
lstewart53x3 said:
Torvik had Boswell as our second best offensive player and our third best defensive player and that’s with him playing a third of the season on a broken hand:

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He’s an unselfish player (4th amongst starters in usage), a strong leader, and a decent to good defender, which this team doesn’t have a whole lot of right now.

I’d take him back in a heartbeat.
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I'm a sucker for advanced metrics, and I think I have a decent handle on ORTG and PRPG!, but I definitely stare at this and wonder how he's that high. I guess his "assists minus turnovers" are worth as much or more than the other guys' higher TS%, ORB, and usage.

I'd still take him in a heartbeat
 
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NarrowJ
BackThatPassUp said:
It would be his 7th season on a roster. He played through 12 games at Texas tech, one injury season at Alabama and one healthy year, and three years at Michigan. It would be his 6th playing year.
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Ok, continued nitpicking and semantics aside, lets not get lost in granular discussion about a single player with a special case when there's a core question here:

Will the NCAA grandfather specific injury rules in for existing players?

The more I read about this, it seems the rules are expected to be phased in to avoid immediately penalizing current student athletes, with potential even for special transfer windows for those affected
 
#1,389      
Illini2010-11
NarrowJ said:
Ok, continued nitpicking and semantics aside, lets not get lost in granular discussion about a single player with a special case when there's a core question here:

Will the NCAA grandfather specific injury rules in for existing players?

The more I read about this, it seems the rules are expected to be phased in to avoid immediately penalizing current student athletes, with potential even for special transfer windows for those affected
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Translated to avoiding potential lawsuits.
 
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IndyIllini2
wc_illini said:
I'm a sucker for advanced metrics, and I think I have a decent handle on ORTG and PRPG!, but I definitely stare at this and wonder how he's that high. I guess his "assists minus turnovers" are worth as much or more than the other guys' higher TS%, ORB, and usage.

I'd still take him in a heartbeat
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Keep in mind that he frequently guarded the best offensive player on the opposing team.
 
#1,395      
PepeSilvia
5 in 5 being enacted in May after the transfer portal would be absolutely insane.

Obviously I would hate it in that other teams get way better which hurts Illinois but also just in general what happens to all the kids that transferred places expecting a role and now that role is gone because a guy that was previously out of eligibility is now back?

I genuinely think you would have to reopen the transfer window for everyone.

I don't even know if I like the 5 years of eligibility or not but just wait until December and then pass it for the next year before the transfer portal for fall sports opens up. It would also be insane to potentially let all these 5th year guys come back for fall sports after teams have already moved on and spent everything.
 
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wc_illini
Calvin said:
Who'd of thunk? More NRs than #1s, and as many as #2s.
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The NCAAT is too much of a crapshoot, and I don't value media rankings (especially pre-season ones)

I'd like to see a comparison of end-of-season KenPom vs pre-season odds (and/or pre-season KenPom/Torvik/EvanMiya), but I haven't seen that anywhere.
 
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