Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

#654      
I am crossing my fingers hoping he won’t be … hoping he is the next one and done! Then Q”Kitt for 27-28! Just keep pumping out lotto picks!!! a man can dream right?
This.

If he's one and done, our season went really, really well because he will have answered one of the minimal amount of question marks that this team does have.
 
#658      
I think there's 3 groups of people here for viewing our roster:

1) we did a Blackwell-replacement level addition, as consolation for the insane possibility that we would've landed him

2) We need a #9thMan. (use soph Jake as an example: 2-3ppg on 5-10min)

3) The roster is good as is, we shouldn't need any more additions.

I'd place myself in the second grouping. However, #1 is quite unrealistic given our projected starting group.
I’d simply ask for a 3 and D guy. We don’t have any of those and the way this offense is designed I’m surprised at that. We don’t have seriously good 3-point shooters percentage wise (Vaaks might be that) and we don’t have seriously good wing top of the key defenders. We surely don’t have anyone who excels at both of them.

I’d also take a post defender who has a decent offensive game that can back a guy down and stretch to the perimeter and guard.
 
#660      
IMO, there's a definite top 7 in CBB in any order: Duke, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Arizona, UConn, Tennessee.

Hard to not have Duke and Florida #1 and #2. Though I would throw Arizona in there if they get Peat back.
 
#661      
IMO, there's a definite top 7 in CBB in any order: Duke, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Arizona, UConn, Tennessee.

Hard to not have Duke and Florida #1 and #2. Though I would throw Arizona in there if they get Peat back.

Lets see how it plays out.

Last year preseason AP Top 25:

1. Purdue - finished 6th in B1G
2. Houston - S16
3. Florida - R32
4. UConn - lost NC game
5. St John's - S16
6. Duke - E8
7. Michigan - NC
8. BYU - R64
9. Kentucky - R32
10. Texas Tech - R32

Only 2 or 3 of those teams did anything remotely noteworthy... and that is a preseason ranking from October (for reference, its currently May)
 
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#662      
Lets see how it plays out.

Last year preseason AP Top 25:

1. Purdue - finished 6th in B1G
2. Houston - S16
3. Florida - R32
4. UConn - lost NC game
5. St John's - S16
6. Duke - E8
7. Michigan - NC
8. BYU - R64
9. Kentucky - R32
10. Texas Tech - R32

Only 2 or 3 of those teams did anything remotely noteworthy... and that is a preseason ranking from October (for reference, its currently May)
"anything remotely noteworthy in the tournament"
Several of them did just fine throughout the year and lost in the crapshoot that is the tournament
 
#663      
Lets see how it plays out.

Last year preseason AP Top 25:

1. Purdue - finished 6th in B1G
2. Houston - S16
3. Florida - R32
4. UConn - lost NC game
5. St John's - S16
6. Duke - E8
7. Michigan - NC
8. BYU - R64
9. Kentucky - R32
10. Texas Tech - R32

Only 2 or 3 of those teams did anything remotely noteworthy... and that is a preseason ranking from October (for reference, its currently May)
Crazy that Purdue and Houston were 1-2.
 
#665      
Are the #9thman folks even in agreement with what position we need?

Thought we needed a backup backup power forward?
Well, 9th man’s value doesn’t quite have to do with a positional need, but more-so to add a body who, if thrown into a b10 game, won’t be a liability.

Here’s why the #9thman is important.

First off, as much as we love setting 200min as the limit for predicting players’ minutes… truth is it basically never turns out that way.

Here’s our total minutes played per game over the past 3 seasons among rotational players (what I’m labeling as “rotational” is basically having appeared in most games that season).

2024:

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= 203.9 minutes total

2025:


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= 206.4 minutes total

2026:


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= 204.4 minutes total

So, let’s just say as a baseline it’ll be 204 available to distribute this season. My approximate guess at where things stand with the top 8:

Andrej - 32
David - 31
Vaaks - 30
Coleman - 27
Tomi - 27
Z - 18
Jake - 18
Morillo - 15

= 198

That leaves you with about 6 minutes left for the 9th man. As it stands, Brown or Zens would be the beneficiary of those minutes.
 
#666      
Purdue was pretty good. 30 wins, Conference tournament champs, E8 in the tournament, and an all time historic NCAA assists leader. Houston was no slouch either

They were indeed "pretty good"

Preseason #1 nationally and ended up 6th in the B1G... probably not where you want to be if you were preseason #1
 
#667      
Lets see how it plays out.

Last year preseason AP Top 25:

1. Purdue - finished 6th in B1G
2. Houston - S16
3. Florida - R32
4. UConn - lost NC game
5. St John's - S16
6. Duke - E8
7. Michigan - NC
8. BYU - R64
9. Kentucky - R32
10. Texas Tech - R32

Only 2 or 3 of those teams did anything remotely noteworthy... and that is a preseason ranking from October (for reference, its currently May)
I'd say making the S16 is "remotely noteworthy." Also, if you told me that we'd have 5-1 odds of making the NC game and 10-1 odds of winning a natty In May before the season starts I'd take that, and I think the other 9 teams on the list likely would too.
 
#668      
I'd say making the S16 is "remotely noteworthy." Also, if you told me that we'd have 5-1 odds of making the NC game and 10-1 odds of winning a natty In May before the season starts I'd take that, and I think the other 9 teams on the list likely would too.

That's a fine nitpick (and remotely noteworthy is subjective), but if your team was ranked #2 (Houston) or #5 (St Johns) then a S16 is not really close to meeting the expectation, which was the real point here

Florida #3 and loses to Iowa in R32... that's not great

BYU, Kentucky and Texas Tech to round out the top 10 and none of them got further than R32
 
#669      
Well, 9th man’s value doesn’t quite have to do with a positional need, but more-so to add a body who, if thrown into a b10 game, won’t be a liability.

Here’s why the #9thman is important.

First off, as much as we love setting 200min as the limit for predicting players’ minutes… truth is it basically never turns out that way.

Here’s our total minutes played per game over the past 3 seasons among rotational players (what I’m labeling as “rotational” is basically having appeared in most games that season).

2024:

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= 203.9 minutes total

2025:


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= 206.4 minutes total

2026:


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= 204.4 minutes total

So, let’s just say as a baseline it’ll be 204 available to distribute this season. My approximate guess at where things stand with the top 8:

Andrej - 32
David - 31
Vaaks - 30
Coleman - 27
Tomi - 27
Z - 18
Jake - 18
Morillo - 15

= 198

That leaves you with about 6 minutes left for the 9th man. As it stands, Brown or Zens would be the beneficiary of those minutes.
The mpg stat is flawed, if you get. DNP, it doesn’t affect your MPG average, which leads to totals>actual minutes per game. (200)
If you look at aggregate minutes, it’s noisy because guys who wouldn’t get minutes in competitive games can get significant run in blowouts.
Occasionally, there are over 200 minutes a game, (OT) but in those kinds of games the 9th man probably isn’t playing barring injury or significant foul trouble. Even then, 6-8 are going to just play more.
When considering the 9th man, the main utility is mitigating the impact of a long term injury. The role of “injury mitigation specialist” is a tough sell.
 
#670      
"anything remotely noteworthy in the tournament"
Several of them did just fine throughout the year and lost in the crapshoot that is the tournament

These teams were ranked in the top 10

I'd expect some tournament success since that's what people claim to care about most (we see constant argumentation on here that regular season success really doesn't matter a whole lot... I disagree with that, as it seems you do as well, but that viewpoint is held by a large number of folks).
 
#673      
Any concerns with the new potential Eligibility rules about our Euro guys? (Thanks Will Wade)
 
#674      
Any concerns with the new potential Eligibility rules about our Euro guys? (Thanks Will Wade)
I wouldn’t think so, although admittedly, there is a portion of the Venn Diagram where there’s some intersection. Wade’s case will mostly hinge on the eligibility of players who’ve gone through the NBA draft and/or signed an NBA contract. That applies to none of our guys.

Having said that, I feel Wade and LSU may have a better than decent chance at winning any lawsuit. The amateur vs professional argument has already been blown up with the inclusion of former international pros. A good lawyer could argue both that there’s no distinct difference between Euro pros and NBA pros and that denying NBA pros a return to college could be considered restraint of trade. Of course, this would blow up college athletics as we know it, but that’s been the trend for quite a while now anyway.
 
#675      
Well, 9th man’s value doesn’t quite have to do with a positional need, but more-so to add a body who, if thrown into a b10 game, won’t be a liability.

Here’s why the #9thman is important.

First off, as much as we love setting 200min as the limit for predicting players’ minutes… truth is it basically never turns out that way.

Here’s our total minutes played per game over the past 3 seasons among rotational players (what I’m labeling as “rotational” is basically having appeared in most games that season).

2024:

View attachment 50364

= 203.9 minutes total

2025:


View attachment 50365

= 206.4 minutes total

2026:


View attachment 50366

= 204.4 minutes total

So, let’s just say as a baseline it’ll be 204 available to distribute this season. My approximate guess at where things stand with the top 8:

Andrej - 32
David - 31
Vaaks - 30
Coleman - 27
Tomi - 27
Z - 18
Jake - 18
Morillo - 15

= 198

That leaves you with about 6 minutes left for the 9th man. As it stands, Brown or Zens would be the beneficiary of those minutes.
It's telling that our past 3 top 3 conference finishes (25,23&21) our 9th man has averaged 3.8 mpg in conference games (last year was 1.6!)

It feels like a silly argument driven by folks being bored.

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