It cracks me up that some people on here don’t know how hard 4:19 mile is. Ben is a massive basketball player not a track guy.
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Ben was 210 when he got here so much leaner then
My limited research suggests a D1 basketball player (very few of them, obviously) could achieve that time
You could say that about any player his age.My kingdom for QK to sprout up to 6'9"(+) by the time he gets here.
Holy S*** if that were to happen!!!
In fact, why stop at just 3 inches?
You should know for a fact that he will be listed at 6'9" by somebody at sometime. Most college teams do that and then when they get to the NBA combine, they lose an inch or two.
That practice fools nary a soul and is a pet peeve of mine. I would prefer my roster to be listed an inch shorter than what they actually measure with no shoes or socks. It is quite depressing when you lose the rebound stat by 15+ to a team on whom you have a height advantage of 2" per man. When I ask about a player's height, I want to know how tall that player is and not how thick his socks or shoe soles are. When a player is measured, he has to hit every half inch to get credit. So a guy that is 6 ft.6 15/16 " hits the roster at 6' 6.5".
Bottom line on height is that it is pretty insignificant what the game program says, and all about what you do when you play.
Michigan is #2 in the overall 247 recruiting rankings. Yes they lost a lot, but I'm not sure how you can say they haven't done much to replace it. There's only one team ahead of them, Duke. Plus with Dusty May's track record of being a great coach, it shouldn't be surprising to see them in the top 5.
If I had to guess, they run a 1500m and called it a mile (since the 1500m is the Olympic standard event they run in college). That'd put Ben at around 4:40 or so for a mile, which seems reasonable, still impressive for his size, but not outlandish.
Source: 4:35 mile personal best
Source: 4:35 mile personal best
Running on a track makes it harder to come up with “elite” times.
I’ve thought they’ve been exaggerating mile times on the basketball team for years.
I'd hope for the complete opposite just to rub it into that fanbase (also, Scheyer doesn't seem like an insufferable character at all to me).
For comparison, a 4:19 mile would be a 13.9 MPH pace.
Based on watching his videos, he seems to be a good 3 pt. shooter.
It’s impossible to know whether someone’s a good shooter or not just by watching videos of them making a shot.
If you had a 1-minute reel of every three Andrej made this past season, people would say he’s a great shooter too.
4:19 is an incredibly good mile time but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for a D1 basketball player to do.
Especially so a guy with long strides like Ben. Has the build to be a good mid distance runner tbh.
Every single guy on my high school basketball team except one ran a sub 6 minute mile. The only guy that didn't was a chubby backup center and he was still like 6.5.
A couple guys ran sub 5s and none of us were D1 caliber athletes(the one kid was flirting running sub 5 in 8th grade track).
I feel completely differently. Unless an athlete is training to run that distance or longer at a fast pace, you just won't see D1 basketball conditioned athletes just trot out and run a sub 4:20 mile on the track. Basketball conditioning is completely different than miler conditioning...short bursts, fast twitch, and hops are focused on over the sustained effort needed to be able to run that sort of mile time.
What was your high school basketball's conditioning like? Our coach rode his 10 speed bicycle beside us as we jogged the entire town for like an hour every day in the fall lol
EDIT: I'm only being half serious here, because I do think mile runners train with much longer runs than that though... you've got to extend comfortably beyond a mile in order to have a good aerobic engine to be fast in a 4th lap
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We’re just not in the same realm as Duke or Florida, as it stands preseason, in terms of defensive upside and superior top-end talent. Our roster is very talented, but those two are in a tier of their own at the moment.
I think #3 is the highest ranking for us that’s justifiable.
I agree 100%. Our fans almost alway overrate our talent. Duke and probably Florida are straight up more talented teams
That doesn't mean we aren't a legitimate threat to win it all. if we are relatively lucky with injuries and our players match the chemistry of last year's team, we can equal or even improve on last year's results.
Because they're replacing it with freshmen and guys who are a huge, huge step down from what they had last year? That #2 recruiting class only has 1 player who's really expected to contribute a lot this coming season in McCoy, they have a couple of other top 50 kids in there too, but again, a major step back from last season for them.
Saying they lost a lot is an understatement to say the least.
They lost three potential lottery picks. What other team lost that type of firepower? That frontcourt was everything to them. Just ONE of them missing would have changed their season. I'm sorry, but losing all three, plus their normal graduating seniors(Barnett, most notably), that's four starters gone. No way they reloaded to a point where they can be just dropped into the top 5.
Now, can they come together and be a top 5 team? Absolutely. The talent is there to be very, very good. There are a lot of teams like that. I look at Louisville. They loaded up, but nobody is making any assumptions on anything with them.
You just don't lose an NBA roster and pick up where you left off. May is a really, really good coach, but he didn't have to be John Wooden to win with that team last year.
4:19 is very fast, but more like a D2 runner than elite.
But D2 runners are still shorter and skinnier than Ben, and while they may run just 40-70 miles per week rather than 60-120 like elites, they get lots of intensity to make up for lower distance and still have to maximize their recovery to maintain the overall training load. Ben presumably had to save some energy for the rest of his training (some of which probably worked against his aerobic capacity).
The wildcard is his genetic aerobic capacity, so it's certainly possible he could overcome all the other things stacked against him. As someone who became a runner mid-life with a 4:4x mile, I'm dying to know.
Ben vs Olympic 1500m runners:
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I'm high on Kitt too. that said, I'll have what you're having
True but it takes more than talent, otherwise the last twenty national champions would have been Duke, UNC, Kentucky or Kansas.