John Groce at Illinois

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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
I still think he deserves to coach through the 2016-2017 season.

I used to agree, now, I think he has to earn it. The players need to look like they are running an offense and defense. Missing open shots happens. Other teams make shots. I am hoping that there is some semblance of a plan, that with a deeper team, could lead to victory. Also, are the kids playing hard. If not, they don't care if he stays.
 
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1. I really hope last night was the "bottom". Unfortunately, there are a few opportunities to sink lower, i.e - A loss to minny, a substantial loss to NW, a similar beat-down at Maryland and a loss at Penn State could potentially be worse than last night.,

Wait until we play Iowa.
 
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Losing to a top 25 team would not be rock bottom for Illinois. Losing to Minny or Rutgers would definitely be it though.

The 34 pt. loss was the worst negative point spread (only 11.5 dog) in UI history, so yes probably rock bottom.
 
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The 34 pt. loss was the worst negative point spread (only 11.5 dog) in UI history, so yes probably rock bottom.

We got stomped against a team we consider to be our rivals, but come on, that loss wouldn't be nearly as bad as a loss to the two teams I previously mentioned.. especially if it happened at home.
 
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The 34 pt. loss was the worst negative point spread (only 11.5 dog) in UI history, so yes probably rock bottom.

I do not believe this is true. On Jan. 26, 2002, #9 Illinois lost to Indiana in Bloomington 88-57 (31pts). Given that we were ranked #9, the spread must have been a lot less, either we were either the favorites or an underdog by a very slim margin or push. So it can't be the worst negative point spread against the line.
 
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I do not believe this is true. On Jan. 26, 2002, #9 Illinois lost to Indiana in Bloomington 88-57 (31pts). Given that we were ranked #9, the spread must have been a lot less, either we were either the favorites or an underdog by a very slim margin or push. So it can't be the worst negative point spread against the line.

Haha, well maybe 2nd then. Any mention of fire Self after that game??:)
 
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Nebraska wins at MSU...sparties are rock bottom too..

Rock bottom is a lot easier to deal with when they have that absolutely ridiculous class they are going to have coming in next year.

Our rock bottom is hoping a kid Groce recruited is once again somehow over looked by every recruiting service. :(
 
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Nebraska wins at MSU...sparties are rock bottom too..

Personally the thing that made the Neb such a bummer was seeing a freshman point guard--who we likely could have had, but didn't even recruit even though it was/is our biggest position of need--help beat us on our own floor. Looks like he had 13 tonight in the win. :(
 
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I for one am very pumped to see what a line up of Lucas, Nunn, Hill, Black, and Finke can do. We haven't had balanced scoring options like that across the board in a long time.

Fine, since nobody else seems to want to point this out, despite it being a consistent theme in this thread...

Where's the defense in that lineup?

PG: Freshman
SG: Kendrick Nunn, who has stopped caring about defense since freshman year
SF: Malcolm Hill, who would be the best defender in that lineup
PF: Foul Machine
C: 3 career blocks
 
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Fine, since nobody else seems to want to point this out, despite it being a consistent theme in this thread...

Where's the defense in that lineup?

PG: Freshman
SG: Kendrick Nunn, who has stopped caring about defense since freshman year
SF: Malcolm Hill, who would be the best defender in that lineup
PF: Foul Machine
C: 3 career blocks

Now that is a scary thought.
 
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Fine, since nobody else seems to want to point this out, despite it being a consistent theme in this thread...

Where's the defense in that lineup?

PG: Freshman
SG: Kendrick Nunn, who has stopped caring about defense since freshman year
SF: Malcolm Hill, who would be the best defender in that lineup
PF: Foul Machine
C: 3 career blocks

This line-up does not include a center. Michael Finke is a 4 in my opinion. He is playing the 5 because of injuries. Great point about the lack of defense.
 
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Here is what I would do as soon as I became the AD. Let me know your thoughts. I would release the entire coaching staff. I would hire Jerrance Howard as head coach...is he ready? Sure, why not. What else do we have to lose. He loves Illinois, he has recruiting cred, likeable guy. Been working under some legends also...so he has to know something about the game. He's ready...it's time.

I would hire Dee Brown, Roger Powell, and Deon Thomas as assistants. Imagine Dee, Jerrance, Roger walking in to scout a kid. I would also try to get Steve Bardo.

I would go with the all African American staff...be a trailblazer, create some media attention..a buzz at Illinois for doing it.
 
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Fine, since nobody else seems to want to point this out, despite it being a consistent theme in this thread...

Where's the defense in that lineup?

PG: Freshman
SG: Kendrick Nunn, who has stopped caring about defense since freshman year
SF: Malcolm Hill, who would be the best defender in that lineup
PF: Foul Machine
C: 3 career blocks

And that's even assuming TJL's scoring translates to the Big Ten. Even with Tracy on the perimeter there is no guarantee that he's the same defensive bulldog that he was his first 3 years with the injuries and time off. We're going to have to average 90 a game to have a winning record.
 
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ILL in IA

Iowa City
And that's even assuming TJL's scoring translates to the Big Ten. Even with Tracy on the perimeter there is no guarantee that he's the same defensive bulldog that he was his first 3 years with the injuries and time off. We're going to have to average 90 a game to have a winning record.
I know TA had his flaws BEFORE the injuries came, but man this team needs his leadership on the court. Only so much you can do on the bench and talking during a timeout. The leadership he brings would go a LONG way right now.
 
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