Michigan State 80, Illinois 78 Postgame

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HensonHall71
On our last possession down one with 28 seconds left- we really needed to call out last TO

I don’t love the strategy of waiting for the last shot when we’re down - I understand it- but I’d rather we run the high pick and roll and take the first good shot we get, hopefully at the rim.

What ended up happening was Boswell free-lansing and just driving it without a real plan. It’s happened a couple of times this year - NU being another one where we’re not running a play at the end it’s just someone going at it themselves which is just not the best offense- I hope Brad starts to either use a TO or run a play in those situations going forward. I know in the presser he was asked about it and he said he was happy with it because it was the same action they were scoring on but it really wasn’t - Kylan was running clock them just went himself really no coordinated action there
 
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the juiceman cometh
BretMyBeachHouse said:
There's no "planted" element to defensive position. There's no way a still would be able to tell whether KJ had position.
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There is with respect to a charge vs blocking foul. When the prior poster said KJ's foot was planted I assumed that's what he meant. It's pretty clear from the video he did not have position. He's moving towards the MSU player from behind and to the side and he extends his foot into his path, tripping him.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse
the juiceman cometh said:
There is with respect to a charge vs blocking foul. When the prior poster said KJ's foot was planted I assumed that's what he meant. It's pretty clear from the video he did not have position. He's moving towards the MSU player from behind and to the side and he extends his foot into his path, tripping him.
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Except there is no planted rule. Players are allowed to be in motion and be in defensive position. Players can have one foot in the,air of course because that's how humans move.

It may very well be a foul. No still photo will tell you that.
 
#482      
CoalCity
the juiceman cometh said:
There is with respect to a charge vs blocking foul. When the prior poster said KJ's foot was planted I assumed that's what he meant. It's pretty clear from the video he did not have position. He's moving towards the MSU player from behind and to the side and he extends his foot into his path, tripping him.
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Weird hill to die on in the worst officiated game I've seen in quite a few years
 
#483      
DewLou
IlliniMilkMan said:
The technical was not on Underwood.
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I'm not a lip reader, but regarding the technical foul, it looked to me like BU told Tyle Underwood: "It's on you." I haven't read through the entire thread yet so maybe someone else has better clarification on the technical, other than it was a technical on the bench. Which is BS.
 
#485      
rbse
Izzo plays the refs like a cheap fiddle, at home it's worth at least 5 points. We make FT's and we win without KJ. I've said this many times, the BT refs are the most inconsistent, worst in college BB, they continue to prove me right. We lost, but we'll gain more from it than MS's win will for them.
 
#488      
Illini in Italy
Me last night . . .

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Me this morning . . .

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#489      
ILLFAN67
the juiceman cometh said:
In the screenshot I posted, where KJ's foot is making contact with the MSU player's foot and the MSU player is already falling forward, KJ's other foot is not in contact with the ground.

You aren't "planted" if one of your feet is in the air. To be planted, both feet need to be planted to the ground at the time of contact.

Also, come on man. KJ is moving the whole time. Slow anything down enough and it might make it look otherwise, but he never planted himself. He never had time to. He was moving in the direction of the play to try and defend and his foot tripped the guy. End of story.
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When a guy steps on your foot you didn’t trip him??????🤷🏼‍♂️
 
#492      
Poe's Law
montanaillini said:
Slo-mo showed that KJ had already planted his foot and the MSU guy stepped into his planted foot. I just don’t see what you’re saying
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I guess KJ’s in the restricted circle :geek:, I think this is one you see whistled maybe 70% of the time in college basketball and maybe 60% of the time in Big Ten play.

I’m certain we could find at least one play a game where KJ goes to the rim and was more deserving of a whistle he didn’t get.

If this (foul #3) was the only one that went against him, I don’t think it would have been particularly noteworthy.
 
#494      
UCantHideYer
Seems difficult to be fouling by extending a right foot when the left foot appears to be in the air. Right foot making contact is pretty vertical with the rest of KJ‘s body. Can find hundreds of stills in a game with more extension than that. Whistle was either looking to whistle or a late reaction to the fallen player‘s reaction.
 
#496      
dcenters33
I don't ever remember a rule when a player shoots over the backboard it goes to the other team. Is that considered out of bounds? It never touched the backboard so I'm confused how that's MSU's ball.
 
#497      
BDMAN
Complete agreement also maybe why BIG teams play is so inconsistent come tourney time 🤔
 
#498      
Fly Illini Fly!
with the over the backboard call... ideally, Boswell was just better off letting it go out. Would've had about 1.5-2 sec left and it was clearly off of MSU.
 
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Butters
Probably needed this one if we wanted a conference championship. Not winning it this year will really sting, I think we look like the best team.
 
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