Michigan State 88, Illinois 80 Postgame

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Se Il Illini

Se Il Illini
Se Il Illini
I do not like it one bit that Illinois lost to Izzo's Spartans. But I am not going to lose any sleep over this defeat. In my view, the more desperate team won today.
 
#402      

rtbritt

rtbritt
rtbritt
aaeismacgychel said:
You know what, I've just about had it with this take and the Ty is not a PG doom and gloomers. I'm fairly upset about the loss today as well and think it was incredibly poorly managed down the stretch, but Ty has been fantastic for us. Yes, Ty can't do RayJ things, but guess what? RayJ can't do Ty things. To wit, let's play a game- this is for the entire board. I'm going to throw down some advanced in-conference stats for both players, and you tell me which one is that guaranteed player who'll get you to a Final 4 and which one isn't and should have reduced minutes:

Player A:
1.016ppp, Team +5.8pts/100 when on floor, 1.81a/to ratio, on 23.6% of team possessions

Player B:
1.138ppp, Team +4.6pts/100 when on floor, 1.56a/to ratio, on 20.3% of team possessions

Oh right, and one of these players earns you 3.7% extra possessions (~2.6 per game) when he's out on the court *cough RayJ* and the other earns you 12.9% extra possessions (~9.3 per game) *cough Ty*. I won't post which is which in the player stats as that would immediately identify who is who, but let's have it, who's the All-American PG that would lead us to a Final 4 and who should be playing 20mpg? Player A or Player B? Have fun!
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Cool post. I totally get it. I don't quite understand most advanced stats, but I am assuming Player A is RayJ, just because I'm assuming the 23.6% of team possessions means he has the ball more, and I'm guessing he has it more than Ty.

Also, I think we are an awesome team and don't "need" a different or true PG, BUT a true point guard changes things. Stats aside, it can be such little things like giving players passes in the right spots where they can get a shot off better or where they can beat the defense easier. It can also be knowing when to push the pace or not, or simply calming the team down after a few late turnovers on the team.

I am grateful for what Ty and Domask have done and think they are both awesome, and I think us having a "different" team probably helps us in some ways, but I am not ready to declare that we wouldn't be better with a real PG, and I think most people probably already know this.

Now, let's get to the beat some other teams, then Purdue, then get rockin' in the Big Dance.
 
#405      

skyIdub

skyIdub
Winged Warrior
skyIdub
racinghoss said:
I love 99% of your posts. But, poor take. Lots of friendly neighborhood LEOs that value our Constitutional rights and dont let ego take over. In fact, I'd say, more of those good LEOs than good B1G refs.
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Lol...well, I didn't say there weren't "lots of friendly neighborhood LEO's"...and there certainly are.......I was one. Sort of. And I don't want to thread drift too much.

Just comparing the power of unchecked egos and the similarity.

You literally have no rights in the moment, in front of LEO's...and referees. You might after the fact if you are lucky enough to find accountability....but at that exact moment...you are powerless.
Just like Luke sitting on the floor with a ref's finger in his face. Daring you to say something....it won't go well for you.
 
#407      

doowink

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doowink
A lot of things led to our defeat this afternoon....and I know I've harped on this several times this season.....but I just don't see us as a very good defensive team....we allow opponents to get to the rim way to easily...either over playing on the perimeter and getting beat or allowing opponents to back our wing or big men down and not bringing help defense has caused too many easy buckets and today resulted in some foul issues for some of our players....gotta get the defensive issues resolved,,,,sooner rather than later
 
#409      

Chillinini

C
Chillinini
aaeismacgychel said:
You know what, I've just about had it with this take and the Ty is not a PG doom and gloomers. I'm fairly upset about the loss today as well and think it was incredibly poorly managed down the stretch, but Ty has been fantastic for us. Yes, Ty can't do RayJ things, but guess what? RayJ can't do Ty things. To wit, let's play a game- this is for the entire board. I'm going to throw down some advanced in-conference stats for both players, and you tell me which one is that guaranteed player who'll get you to a Final 4 and which one isn't and should have reduced minutes:

Player A:
1.016ppp, Team +5.8pts/100 when on floor, 1.81a/to ratio, on 23.6% of team possessions

Player B:
1.138ppp, Team +4.6pts/100 when on floor, 1.56a/to ratio, on 20.3% of team possessions

Oh right, and one of these players earns you 3.7% extra possessions (~2.6 per game) when he's out on the court *cough RayJ* and the other earns you 12.9% extra possessions (~9.3 per game) *cough Ty*. I won't post which is which in the player stats as that would immediately identify who is who, but let's have it, who's the All-American PG that would lead us to a Final 4 and who should be playing 20mpg? Player A or Player B? Have fun!
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I'm not hating on Ty, I'm hating how they continue to use Marcus instead of Ty.

But it all goes back to a PG where you can trust in high leverage situations. And it's obvious the coach has issues with it.
 
#410      

BashCtIllini

BashCtIllini
BashCtIllini
aaeismacgychel said:
You know what, I've just about had it with this take and the Ty is not a PG doom and gloomers. I'm fairly upset about the loss today as well and think it was incredibly poorly managed down the stretch, but Ty has been fantastic for us. Yes, Ty can't do RayJ things, but guess what? RayJ can't do Ty things. To wit, let's play a game- this is for the entire board. I'm going to throw down some advanced in-conference stats for both players, and you tell me which one is that guaranteed player who'll get you to a Final 4 and which one isn't and should have reduced minutes:

Player A:
1.016ppp, Team +5.8pts/100 when on floor, 1.81a/to ratio, on 23.6% of team possessions

Player B:
1.138ppp, Team +4.6pts/100 when on floor, 1.56a/to ratio, on 20.3% of team possessions

Oh right, and one of these players earns you 3.7% extra possessions (~2.6 per game) when he's out on the court *cough RayJ* and the other earns you 12.9% extra possessions (~9.3 per game) *cough Ty*. I won't post which is which in the player stats as that would immediately identify who is who, but let's have it, who's the All-American PG that would lead us to a Final 4 and who should be playing 20mpg? Player A or Player B? Have fun!
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which one do you have to guard on the perimeter? Which one is top 10 in the nation in assists per game? which one actually plays like a PG.

This whole Ty Rodgers thing has been freaking crazy on this board. Some of you act like he's your kid. I was talking to a buddy yesterday who is a Purdue grad. I said Ty Rodgers is a great player and the type of guy every single team wants, but they don't want him as a PG.

No one is saying I wish we could have landed Dennis so we can throw Rodgers on the bench. We're saying, if we had someone who could be trusted with the ball under pressure, facilitate the offense, stretch the defense AND have Rodgers doing what he does best around the basket, that makes us a much better and scary team. And you can look up any number you want, but that statement is 100% correct.
 
#411      

JSpence

J
Evansville, IN
JSpence
SescIllini said:
Love Coleman, when he leaves this year we will realize that he gave all he had to Illinois. For alumni that means something.
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Absolutely. It's been a minute since we've seen a kid come through that shows as much love for the game.

It breaks my heart to see people try to pummel the joy out of him with the technicals. Other kids getting after him on social media is one thing. Grown-!!! men getting in on the action to affect his game is out of line.

Straight up, we've got some real problems in this conference. Good officials are common. Bad ones are, too. It takes a GREAT official to manage the game and the bad officials at the same time. The B10 was once where all those guys gravitated to. It really feels like we don't even want good, boring crews anymore. We are being fed a steady stream of 'exciting' refs, and my gut has just about had all it can take.
 
#412      

Second place is 1st loser

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Second place is 1st loser
Oldskoolkoach said:
We continuously get cooked on the 1st step by 90% of guards in B10 play. Defensive scheme issue? Too slow? Poor effort?
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As much as we joke about the conferences coaches, by in large, they are really good. They get you on film and they find weekends. Our guards can be slow on defense and when we get a guy like Ty out there, we lose a ton of offense.

This was the worry going into the year and it's starting to tear it's ugly head
 
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Bleedorangeandblue44

B
Bleedorangeandblue44
aaeismacgychel said:
You know what, I've just about had it with this take and the Ty is not a PG doom and gloomers. I'm fairly upset about the loss today as well and think it was incredibly poorly managed down the stretch, but Ty has been fantastic for us. Yes, Ty can't do RayJ things, but guess what? RayJ can't do Ty things. To wit, let's play a game- this is for the entire board. I'm going to throw down some advanced in-conference stats for both players, and you tell me which one is that guaranteed player who'll get you to a Final 4 and which one isn't and should have reduced minutes:

Player A:
1.016ppp, Team +5.8pts/100 when on floor, 1.81a/to ratio, on 23.6% of team possessions

Player B:
1.138ppp, Team +4.6pts/100 when on floor, 1.56a/to ratio, on 20.3% of team possessions

Oh right, and one of these players earns you 3.7% extra possessions (~2.6 per game) when he's out on the court *cough RayJ* and the other earns you 12.9% extra possessions (~9.3 per game) *cough Ty*. I won't post which is which in the player stats as that would immediately identify who is who, but let's have it, who's the All-American PG that would lead us to a Final 4 and who should be playing 20mpg? Player A or Player B? Have fun!
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I love this post
 
#415      

Thompson

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Thompson
Also why doesn’t Brad have Ty in the game when it’s crunch time? I bet he’d have Dennis in there… I love Ty, he’s an EDG but similar to Dain in some aspects he complicates our offense.

I think our offense would be even better if our defense could improve. We don’t play with any aggression. Just let guys get into whatever they want or get switches with no resistance at all. We’re getting awfully late in the season knowing a change needs to be made
 
#416      

msphdillini

M
msphdillini
LvilleILL said:
What might not be getting talked about enough is that Terrence is starting to look like himself again. Has gotten better almost every game. Think he will be back to his full skillset soon
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TSJ was excellent for 30 minutes but he is expected to take over the game during the last 5-10 minutes when everyone is struggling. ..
He is about 70% back
 
#417      

GrayGhost77

GrayGhost77
Centennial, CO
GrayGhost77
LvilleILL said:
What might not be getting talked about enough is that Terrence is starting to look like himself again. Has gotten better almost every game. Think he will be back to his full skillset soon
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Let's hope, but until our defense gets better I still don't think we're a second weekend team. Hope they figure it out because if they do, sky's the limit.
 
#418      

Indy Illini Fan

Indy Illini Fan
Indy Illini Fan
chudaman said:
I hope the Krush get "Boom" t-shirts and yell it out after every CoHawk make.
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Coleman just trying to steal my favorite phrase ... Guess he learned from the best ...

boom smile GIF
 
#419      

DAM1298

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DAM1298
LvilleILL said:
What might not be getting talked about enough is that Terrence is starting to look like himself again. Has gotten better almost every game. Think he will be back to his full skillset soon
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He’s working back and has improved each game, a great sign. Still think he looks like the game hasn’t fully slowed down for him, but he’ll keep improving.
 
#420      

BfosterL

BfosterL
BfosterL
MAUI DERON said:
Underwood reminds me of a guy who is never wrong. The type of guy who beats a horse to death and then blames you cause it died. Gut check time and you keep the guy with the most on the bench. Unacceptable.
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Brad takes reasonability for losses probably more than any other coach in college basketball. Half the loses this year in the post-game he blames himself and failing to prepare the team better, etc.

Another great attribute of BU is that he is willing to adjust and change schemes based on personal. Most coaches are married to one system, and they are going to pound that square peg in a round hole to matter what (Groce, etc.) 10 games in BU entirely changed his defense with Kofi to make that work to his/our advantage. BU also took the feedback last year of him throwing tantrums on the sideline at players and has reigned that in a lot this year. Thank you Tyler.

Maybe not BU's best day today, but it certainly wasn't for Domask, Goode, or Harmon's either. We are lucky to have BU and I hope Illinois fans appreciate that a little more. Stay the course with BU and I believe he is the guy to finally get Illinois that elusive NC. Tomorrow is another day and many stories yet to be written this year. Enjoy the journey a little more because in 7 to 8 weeks the season will be over, and this group of players will never play together again. I'm pretty proud of our group this year.
 
#421      

WyattEarp

WyattEarp
WyattEarp
BashCtIllini said:
which one do you have to guard on the perimeter? Which one is top 10 in the nation in assists per game? which one actually plays like a PG.

This whole Ty Rodgers thing has been freaking crazy on this board. Some of you act like he's your kid. I was talking to a buddy yesterday who is a Purdue grad. I said Ty Rodgers is a great player and the type of guy every single team wants, but they don't want him as a PG.

No one is saying I wish we could have landed Dennis so we can throw Rodgers on the bench. We're saying, if we had someone who could be trusted with the ball under pressure, facilitate the offense, stretch the defense AND have Rodgers doing what he does best around the basket, that makes us a much better and scary team. And you can look up any number you want, but that statement is 100% correct.
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Yeah, I love Ty Rodgers. Look what he does for this team. I mean who wouldn’t? You’d want him playing SOMEWHERE in the lineup that’s for darn sure. If you don’t I think you need your head examined.

I don’t wanna dwell on the off season whiff. Because that does no one any good…because this is our team. It is what it is…

BUT that doesn’t mean the off-season didnt happen…It doesn’t mean that there aren’t gonna be games where a serviceable point guard could be very useful. We have seen a couple already.

More puzzling……our capable, yet experimental point guard hasnt been playing all that much.
 
#425      

Nuke Dukem

Nuke Dukem
Nuke Dukem
aaeismacgychel said:
You know what, I've just about had it with this take and the Ty is not a PG doom and gloomers. I'm fairly upset about the loss today as well and think it was incredibly poorly managed down the stretch, but Ty has been fantastic for us. Yes, Ty can't do RayJ things, but guess what? RayJ can't do Ty things. To wit, let's play a game- this is for the entire board. I'm going to throw down some advanced in-conference stats for both players, and you tell me which one is that guaranteed player who'll get you to a Final 4 and which one isn't and should have reduced minutes:

Player A:
1.016ppp, Team +5.8pts/100 when on floor, 1.81a/to ratio, on 23.6% of team possessions

Player B:
1.138ppp, Team +4.6pts/100 when on floor, 1.56a/to ratio, on 20.3% of team possessions

Oh right, and one of these players earns you 3.7% extra possessions (~2.6 per game) when he's out on the court *cough RayJ* and the other earns you 12.9% extra possessions (~9.3 per game) *cough Ty*. I won't post which is which in the player stats as that would immediately identify who is who, but let's have it, who's the All-American PG that would lead us to a Final 4 and who should be playing 20mpg? Player A or Player B? Have fun!
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👆🏻This! Which makes me wonder why Ty wasn’t on the court when things started to unravel at the end of the game. Was there something going on behind the scene that we don’t know about? You can check my posts. I am not one to criticize the staff. However, after 8 hours and a little bourbon, I am still scratching my head about the use of personnel and time outs by BU.