MSU-Michigan Postgame Scuffle
if the horse is too stupid to drink, you shoot it and get another horse!
Agreed.
Illinois also has a lot more to play for. Frustration is mounting for MSU. They have nothing to lose. Therefore, Illinois needs to watch out for a desperate team. This situation will either bring them together or tear them apart even further.
Joel Goodson
- ties will be resolved
FWLIW, I 100% concur:
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
I think I've....found the problem.
Michigan is full of cockroaches!!
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Michigan is full of cockroaches!!
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The Wyandotte, Michigan, city council voted in favor of putting a stop to trick-or-treating to "prevent roaches from grabbing on to kids' costumes" and entering homes.
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
This. Maybe you don't design a stadium like this anymore, but it is what it is and it hasn't been a problem for 100 years.
All that matters, in descending importance:
1a. Who swung helmets at who?
1b. Who ganged up on a player by punching or kicking when the player was swarmed?
2. Who threw the first punch?
3. Who said what?
sacraig
- The desert
I absolutely do not concur. Harbaugh may be a turd but this is on the MSU players and staff for reacting in a childish and violent way.
Running up the score is not new in college sports. It's a system that rewards victory margins with better perception and thus higher rankings. Until that changes, team will continue to run up score (and probably should) to get better TV times and bowls placements.
Tucker knows that. He needs to lead his team.
One side can be more wrong than the other side.
Assaulting someone because they said something you didn't like is escalation in most places. There are factors that can mitigate/aggravate these scenarios but for the most part you can't swing a helmet at someone because they said something.
It’s not so much that MSU players weren’t villains here. They are absolutely are. It’s that Harbaugh acted in a manner consistent with lighting the match instead of defusing the situation. And, as a “leader” it’s his job to not do that.
Idk what is going on at Michigan but we are reaching a point where we are beyond anecdotal evidence and one off occurrences in regard to their money making sports programs with Harbaugh and Howard.
Idk what is going on at Michigan but we are reaching a point where we are beyond anecdotal evidence and one off occurrences in regard to their money making sports programs with Harbaugh and Howard.
If this happened between two MAC teams I guarantee it would not inspire the creative logic being employed to place blame on the team, coach, or stadium of the assaulted player.
First, there are too many people in the tunnel and most probably should not be there. Second, Looked like there were assistant coaches or grad assistants that were pretty close to the skirmish and did little if anything to stop it. Third, what kind of teammate looks at whats happening and does nothing except keep walking? This entire team, coaches, players and support staff need to look in the mirror, they're all guilty.
MDchicago
- Lake Norman NC
Hope other coaches around the conference and country use this as a teachable moment regarding sportsmanship/character (and the potential adverse civil, criminal, scholarship, playing time, NIL and reputational consequences of bad decisions).
Noticed on Twitter that at least some of the suspended players appear to have corporate NIL deals in place. Suspect those relationships may be scrutinized by the companies involved for potential termination or non-renewal.
Noticed on Twitter that at least some of the suspended players appear to have corporate NIL deals in place. Suspect those relationships may be scrutinized by the companies involved for potential termination or non-renewal.
Well, if you listen to the cops talk about cars being broken into, you'll hear a lot of "blame" cast at car owners who fail to lock their vehicles at night.
Admonitions to not do stupid $h!t aren't not the same as "blaming the victim". Football players are involved in an amped up physical atmosphere. Unnecessarily escalating emotions is stupid.
sacraig
- The desert
Good on #41 for putting #14 (helmet swinger) in a headlock and dragging him out of there. Lots of others just standing around, though.
For one, that's absolutely not the same as the tone being employed here. I've never seen a cop call a car owner a "grade A dick" for failing to lock up their car. And if they did, they'd be wrong.
Second, the stupid "$h!t" that Michigan supposedly did was 1. Score points in a football game in a manner consistent with a team that wants to make the college football playoff and 2. Have a stadium that was designed in an inconvenient manner nearly 100 years ago. This is far more akin to "well, she should probably not have had so much to drink."
We all hate Michigan, myself included. That's what's going on here. But 100% of the blame in this scenario goes on the MSU players who cornered and attacked an opposing player, and if it weren't Michigan (or some other hated rival) that'd be the end of the discussion.
City of St Louis is literally debating suing Hyundai and Kia for something similar https://jalopnik.com/st-louis-plans-to-sue-hyundai-and-kia-over-vehicle-the-1849643819/amp