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- Chicago
But there being no justice in the world, there is a non-zero chance that #41 will get caught up in subsequent discipline. Wrong place, wrong time. Certainly hope it doesn't happen.
MSU-Michigan Postgame Scuffle
They need to look at what cops they hire for security. There is one video that is basically shot over the shoulder of what looks like a cop in uniform and said cop goes no where near the melee. I probably wouldn’t either, but then I’m not a cop there for a reason.
Tuckers "apology" press conference was pretty laughable. I'm not sure who I dislike more between him and Harbaugh after watching that.
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Yes, 100% of the blame belongs on them. I have yet to hear anyone say differently.
But as I just pointed out, Harbaugh was a "grade A d**k" before this and that's one aspect people are pointing out. To some degree, this may have been a consequence of his actions.
And I don't buy the idea that one more touchdown against MSU was going to make one bit of difference in whether they make the playoffs. It's real simple for them. They win out, they're in. They lose a game, they're likely out. But looking at all the scenarios against other teams, a touchdown against MSU won't matter.
I do agree this is essentially 100% on the MSU players. However, to think the general set up of the stadium, the situation, Harbaugh’s terrible sportsmanship, and a lot of other factors in which Michigan has control over didn't contribute is almost being intentionally dense.
There’s no one to “suspend” or “discipline” on the Michigan side, but they don’t get to claim victim or innocence here either.
There’s no one to “suspend” or “discipline” on the Michigan side, but they don’t get to claim victim or innocence here either.
Michigan knew there had been problems. James Franklin even pointed it out. Harbaugh and Michigan made fun of him. Michigan has a responsibility to provide a safe environment. They've failed multiple times.
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Upon reflection I will concede there are things Harbaugh and Michigan could have done differently which "contributed" to this event's occurrence.
Much in the way Abraham Lincoln would have avoided that messiness in Ford's Theater had he just chosen not to run for president.
As for the playoff scenarios, if history is any guide it is likely one or two of the teams that make the playoff will be one-loss teams. If an extra TD here or there increases the odds for Michigan should they lose a game, even by 1%, it's literally Harbaugh's job to take that into account. Every team in contention for the playoff does it. Every single one. So anyone who doesn't puts themselves at a disadvantage.
The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
If you don't want someone to score on you, stop them from scoring. If you can't do that, it's entirely on you. Neither coaches, players, nor fans should be upset if the other team continues to score. They have every right to play until the game is over.
BillyBob1
- Champaign
So I’ve watched it twice and all I’ve seen are Michigan players walking in the tunnel. Don’t see any MSU players.
For the record, there weren’t 2 teams. There were 2….just 2 (!) Michigan players and the MSU team. At least one of the Michigan players didn’t even have pads on due to ACL injury. Look I hate Michiga and think Ann Arbor is a wh@re but this is 100% on MSU players.
Start the video at the beginning
BZuppke
- Plainfield
I don’t hear anyone defending MSU and neither am I - but I would guarantee there was something said by the Michigan player(s). I doubt the MSU players just did this without provocation.
There’s something called avoiding trouble too. One report said this occurred in an area that did not lead to the Michigan locker room - so what was a Michigan player doing there? Did he go to taunt the Spartans? Lots of investigating needed.
I’ll not listen to Harbaugh paint a black and white narrative of this situation. It’s happened before at the Crap House.
There’s something called avoiding trouble too. One report said this occurred in an area that did not lead to the Michigan locker room - so what was a Michigan player doing there? Did he go to taunt the Spartans? Lots of investigating needed.
I’ll not listen to Harbaugh paint a black and white narrative of this situation. It’s happened before at the Crap House.
That tunnel leads to both locker rooms. One locker room is left the other right.
BZuppke
- Plainfield
Has Harbaugh answered the question as to why the Michigan players were with the other team? What reason did they have not to be in their locker room with their teammates. In fact, at his press conference he avoided the question. So I do wonder why. And it appears Michigan did nothing after this from James Franklin last year:
"I prefer to talk about these things in the offseason, but the one tunnel is a problem," Franklin said Tuesday. "It's a problem, and has been. To me, we need to put a policy in place from a conference perspective in my mind that's going to stop it. We're not the first team to kind of get into a jawing match in the tunnel. For me, I want to focus on getting my team into the locker room and not jawing back and forth.
"Want my team to get in the locker room and their team to get in the locker room. There really should be a policy that the first team that goes in, there’s a buffer. Because if not, this team starts talking to this team, they start jawing back and forth, and something bad is gonna happen before we put in the policy."
"I prefer to talk about these things in the offseason, but the one tunnel is a problem," Franklin said Tuesday. "It's a problem, and has been. To me, we need to put a policy in place from a conference perspective in my mind that's going to stop it. We're not the first team to kind of get into a jawing match in the tunnel. For me, I want to focus on getting my team into the locker room and not jawing back and forth.
"Want my team to get in the locker room and their team to get in the locker room. There really should be a policy that the first team that goes in, there’s a buffer. Because if not, this team starts talking to this team, they start jawing back and forth, and something bad is gonna happen before we put in the policy."
the Michigan players need to heal and then talk to a lawyer to see if they have a civil case against scUM.
I would point to the PSU interaction, and last years O$U tunnel incidents among others. The mitigations scUM put into effect was ineffective knowing they were playing a major rival and the history of the tunnel
Again none of this excuses the MSU players involved
Third Fight in Michigan’s Last Seven Home Games Breaks Out in The Big House Tunnel After Wolverines’ Win over Michigan State
The shared tunnel at the Big House has recently instigated conflicts with several visiting teams, including Ohio State last season.
Michigan reportedly beefs up security, alters tunnel procedure for rivalry clash vs. Michigan State
Michigan was held back from entering its own tunnel at halftime.
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The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
"Fourth: if there is a way to lessen the class warfare (9) that comes with college football, especially rivalries, it would be a good thing. Fans (and sometimes coaches and administrators) are tirelessly looking for evidence that their school has more class than the dirty bums on the other side of the state. It’s a universal dynamic that is probably as old as higher education itself, but Michigan-Michigan State is certainly fraught with it. (The gold-standard in tut-tutting a rival about who has more class is Duke-North Carolina basketball, but that’s a different story for a different day.)"
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Michigan, Michigan State tunnel brawl - No excuses for incident - Sports Illustrated
Don’t blame the tunnel or the officials. Don’t say this is “boys will be boys.” What happened Saturday night at the Big House is a mandatory reflection point for college football.
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Thought it was a little ironic that the Michigan fight song was playing in the background during the brawl.....so does the band share some of the blame???
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
To the people saying Harbaugh did what he did for the benefit of CFP rankings, I propose this counter explanation:
Michigan was up by 22. The line was -23…
I know we would never think that’s a priority, but at big time program it’s not nothing. I bet he would have been very happy to tell the boosters “you’re welcome” by covering the spread. And I say this as a Harbaugh apologist. I wouldn’t have put it past him to be thinking about that.
That and the fact these schools HATE each other.
Michigan was up by 22. The line was -23…
I know we would never think that’s a priority, but at big time program it’s not nothing. I bet he would have been very happy to tell the boosters “you’re welcome” by covering the spread. And I say this as a Harbaugh apologist. I wouldn’t have put it past him to be thinking about that.
That and the fact these schools HATE each other.
Video shows Michigan State’s Jacoby Windmon also involved in postgame incident
The starting linebacker was not among the four Spartans coach Mel Tucker suspended on Sunday.
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Noblesville Illini
- Nappanee, IN
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