NBA/Pro/International Basketball
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Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
dunno German, but this sounds pretty gut:
That's a huge win for him and his team. With that they pass Bayern for 1st place in the Basketballl Bundesliga. Also of note, Plummer is teammates with Ben Saraf who is projected as a mid-first round pick in this year's NBA draft.
Just catching up. Domestically, the NBA is falling behind, but it doesn't mean the league isn't as healthy as it's ever been. Americans might care less, but the NBA has been making inroads all over the globe. We only track viewership domestically, but consider...
From Forbes in May of 2024:
Over 75% of the NBA’s social media followers are from outside of the U.S. and the league generated a record 26 billion video views across their social platforms this season, up 22% compared to last year.
The NFL is a sports moneymaking machine, unlike any other sports league in history. (50% more revenue than the NBA) MLB and NBA are more of an apples-to-apples comparison, considering they have mostly regional followings and play multiple times a week. (Very similar revenue streams)
Games are relatively infrequent, and even a casual fan will watch games that don't involve their favorite team. Scarcity is the NFL's secret weapon, along with it being the best suited for fantasy leagues.
Not to mention Noa Essengue, my pick for the Bulls.
Not sure how I missed that. He's projected even higher than Saraf. It's a pretty loaded squad.
E B Give it up....the NBA has become unwatchable for the average fan, proven by the 50% decrease in fandom. The games have become three-point contests, with no other skill being emphasized. Games were much more fun in the 80's and 90's, lower scores and better defenses made each possession more of a strategic struggle. It was BASKETBALL at the highest diverse skill set. And its why Magic, Bird, Michael, Kobe, and Shaq, were easily recognizable figures, and teams like the Bulls, Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Rockets had such followings....
Other than the NFL, which is unique in its ability to constantly draw eyeballs, name one professional sports league that has not seen a decrease in its viewership numbers since the 80s and 90s.
Then ask yourself if anything has changed about how entertainment is consumed since the 80s and 90s. Then think about whether there might be a connection between those two things.
Now, when it comes to attendance at games, something that is more resilient to the changes in how at-home entertainment is consumed, the NBA is doing better than ever. Last season the NBA set multiple attendance records, and across all teams over the entire season filled its arenas to 98% capacity. This doesn't sound like a league with an unwatchable product that has a "50% decrease in fandom."
NBA sets all-time records for attendance and sellouts in 2023-24
The NBA set records for regular-season total attendance, average attendance and sellouts for the 2nd straight season.
Midway through this season, the attendance numbers were a few hundred a game shy of that record. Which is still pretty good!
NBA Attendance Doing Just Fine
NBA Attendance holds strong at 18,088 fans per game in 2024-25 despite TV ratings dip. Are core fans proving the league’s still fine?
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This also contrasts with the MLB, which saw its peak attendance in 2007 and last season was about 8 million fans short of that number.
You can bring feelings to a facts fight if you choose. The NBA brought in 10.58 billion in revenue in 2022-23, 11.34B in 23-24, and are projected to exceed 13 billion this season. Someone must be watching.
I watched a short while a couple of weeks ago. They set 2 or 3 screens trying to get to the basket or P&R. If those don't work someone shoots a 3. After a while I had a thought. If not for the 24 second clock they could work harder for a good shot, run some plays, have some strategy. It's not going to ruin the game if they give them a few more seconds. What's the hurry anyway? It's not like they are going 4 corners. I don't like 2 passes and a shot. Anyway, not a fan. The guys I know who are fans are 82 years old and will watch anything, and 2 guys who can't change a tire and will watch anything. OTOH it beats the heck out of soccer.
I 100% agree with illinirog. I don't care what the numbers say. Those are corporate dollars, not fan dollars. It's an entirely different business model now. Gambling is what has helped boost up those numbers in a big way. I know lots of people with gambling apps on their phones and none of them will sit and watch an entire game. They are not fans, they are just watching the numbers related to whatever their bet is riding on. NBA games are boring and have been for years. I cannot even remember the last time I sat and watched an entire game. Been at least 10 years, probably longer. Celtics Championship with Allen, Garnett, & Pierce was likely the last, whenever that was.
of course...TV revenue...that'll dry up when interest continues to fall....
Lol, they recently signed a huge new TV deal that goes through the 2035-2036 season.
And here I thought we were past the dumb "the NBA isn't popular" takes on here anymore.
Since the Illini in the Pros thread got locked, thought I'd share it here
basketnews.com
Kendrick Nunn sets European salary record, tops what many NBA players make
In a landmark move that blurs the financial lines between the NBA and top-tier European basketball, Kendrick Nunn has agreed to a three-year, €13.5 million (approx. $14.8M) deal with Panathinaikos Athens, the Greek club's owner, Dimitris Giannakopoulos, announced on Wednesday.
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In most European countries the tax codes are far simpler than ours which allows taxes to be deducted from pay and sent in by employers without any need to file stuff. So these contracts are able to reliably tell players what their pay will be after taxes. My guess is the contract numbers for Nunn essentially represent his pay after taxes are deducted.
Also, he may still have to pay taxes on that income to the U.S., especially if his permanent offseason residence is here.
mattcoldagelli
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The Bulls no-showing against the Heat in the play-in. Tale as old as time.
Not sure why I watched until the middle of the 4th quarter.
What has to happen for TSJ to get a chance tonight/this series vs. the Lakers? Guessing injuries and serious foul trouble. Sure would make the NBA playoffs more fun for me to see him in the rotation in a marquee matchup like this one.
mattcoldagelli
- Script Illinois Enthusiast
A 23-point lead is the answer
Teams are known to shorten their bench in the playoffs. Looks like Minnesota only went 8 deep (5 starters and 3 bench guys) tonight so it'll be tough for TSJ to break through to get meaningful minutes in the postseason.
On another note, I'm actually quite surprised to see Luka Garza is basically on his way out of the league. Year four and he's still coming in mostly for garbage time minutes. His shooting has worsened over time too.
Wouldn't be the first great college player that isn't great in the NBA. Won't be the last either.
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