Is it enough gravity to overcome the suction though?
Nebraska 80, Illinois 74 OT Postgame
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DevILLDawg
- Meredosia, Illinois
Do you truly believe Brad will allow his son to leave the staff? I don't see it. He's not as hungry anymore and he seemingly feels that he "rates" to have his nepo hire.Used to be Gentry …
Tyler is one dimensional … Make shots offense … And when the shots aren’t falling … Shoot more … No adjustments …
Hamer should never have been an assistant coach … He was a video guy for a WNBA team … He should’ve been a video guy here and I wouldn’t have been complaining … Running our defense ??? Unacceptable …
Brad loves analytics so much … Here’s some analytics for him … 28.6% from 3 during Big Ten play as a team … Boswell 25% from 3 during Big Ten play … Will Riley 21% from 3 during Big Ten play … Tre White 17% from 3 during Big Ten play … DGL 29% from 3 during Big Ten play … Ben Humbrickhous 31% from 3 during Big Ten play …
Elite shooting team huh ??
Now how bout we analyze how to make adjustments and win a daggum game …
As to what proof that he's not the coach he was 4 years ago?
The 2 plus blown communication inbounds plays for layups...
Old Brad would have called a timeout and chewed their !!! all the way to Omaha...
I know they say Ben is better defensively than we give him credit for. Is DGL's defensive suspect? Actually, I don't care because at that point of the game offense should have been given absolute priority, and the analytics OF THE GAME WE WERE PLAYING showed DGL as a WAY BETTER weapon. The fact that he had already hit a 3 also suggests he could have spaced the floor better than Ben would have.
I know someone mentioned never throwing an assistant coach under the bus in a after game press conference, but you think it's ok to throw any and every excuse including the ref's under the bus? If a coach uses his after game press to constantly make excuses.....players hurt.....the refs...players not following the game plan....and so on. He sure as heck better include the assistant coaches as well as himself!!!!!!! How can you expect young men to be accountable for their actions if you don't hold every single person to that same level of expectations? The last time I looked at the team picture I am almost certain all the assistant coaches were in the photo..right? You start giving off the impressions that some are not held to the same levels of accountabilities, you will have inconsistent play/work. I do know I have heard Brad say something along the lines of himself taking blame for not getting them ready to play. I want him to stand there and own it, these losses are just as much on him and his assistants as it is his players. Once exceptions are made, you better be ok with the repercussions. One time......just one time, I would love for a player to stand there and simply say....we were not well prepared by our coaches and had no in game adjustments by our coaches!!!! I can't imagine how Brad and the staff would react. Don't throw players under the bus unless you are willing to be thrown under as well. TEAM!
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DGL is the definition of an EDG and the kind of player that won B1G titles for us the last couple year.
Damn shame we're going to run him off for some D3 transfer who has had like 4 games total this year where he's been good on offense.
This is the flip side to NIL, when you've committed significant money to players who obviously can't perform consistently on this level, when do you realize it's time to cut bait and park their butt on the bench? I would much rather have Amani and Sencire right now off the bench than Jake and Carey Booth, and even Ben.
Ever since the KJ and Tomi injuries it seems like the players have either forgotten their roles or their roles no longer work in the sets we normally run. At our best, we were always a 5 piece puzzle that only fit together one way. Better coaching would have found a way to make the pieces fit together another way. Or identified and developed the pieces to make multiple puzzles. Unfortunately. I think our best case scenario, at this stage in the season and with the pieces we have, is to get everyone back and playing in their roles. Until then, I see no reason to expect different outcomes.
Speaking of in-game adjusting..... despite the overall solid defensive efficiency numbers, every single high-major opponent (until last night) has steadily increased their scoring efficiency over the course of the game against us. That's EVERY GAME that our opponent has been able to make adjustments and then score more consistently, all the way through to the final whistle.
We held Nebraska to 5 of 20 on threes and outrebounded them as well but the godawful shooting and immature 17 turnovers that led to second chance points for Nebraska is a recipe for losing. Tomi means so much to so many of the guys because their play on the floor is heightened with him on the court. From KJ to Morez to Tre. Hopefully, he won't be out for too long.
Terrifying to have a Head Coach that can't see his team is not a good 3 point shooting team. Jacking up 35 per game and hit 25% is a Loss every game. His press conference. He is living in alternate reality.
I am trying to be funny but I also mean this in all seriousness. BU needs to abandon the time-honored tradition of hiring your kid into the family business, and instead adopt the time-honored tradition of calling on your connections to get your kid a job.
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
I don’t think changing assistant coaches is going to do much. Underwood is the one that is a slave to analytics and doesn’t deviate from his base system no matter what. He is the one that will need to adjust.
You could say he did change his defense that he brought with him from SFA after he figured out we were fouling too much and Big 10 players were too good to be pressured 94 feet.
But I don’t think you will ever convince Brad that too many 3s are bad if you shoot a low percentage, and that letting guys have easy 2s is not the thing to do if they are making them. To him it’s a concrete math problem
There’s never any in game adjustments. Maryland killed us on 2s and we never doubled the post. Nebraska we never stopped bombing from 3. Then the Loyola game.
You could say he did change his defense that he brought with him from SFA after he figured out we were fouling too much and Big 10 players were too good to be pressured 94 feet.
But I don’t think you will ever convince Brad that too many 3s are bad if you shoot a low percentage, and that letting guys have easy 2s is not the thing to do if they are making them. To him it’s a concrete math problem
There’s never any in game adjustments. Maryland killed us on 2s and we never doubled the post. Nebraska we never stopped bombing from 3. Then the Loyola game.
I do understand what he is saying, but this ideology leads to the conclusion that analyses don't add much value because you never have exact comparisons, so let's just point to intangibles. It's absolutely true that Ben does spread the floor, however, Illinois in B10 play has been more efficient with him off the floor (1.247ppp) than when he's on it (1.030ppp) by a very large margin. And if we compare possessions where he actively contributes (shooting, rebounds, turnovers) while on the floor, Illinois is about a 1.072ppp team.
So Illinois is better on an efficiency basis when Ben is actively involved in the play (shooting, rebounds, turnovers), then when he's merely "spreading the floor", but they've been much better in conference play when he's been off the floor entirely. So even the "intangibles" argument doesn't make sense analytically. But hey, if people want to stick with the narrative that Ben spaces the floor so well on offense, Illinois would be lost without him, I won't stop people.
And while this is a separate subject, for what it's worth, last year Illinois was 1.223ppp team with Ty on the court and a 1.192ppp team with him off it though his individual contribution was 1.185ppp. So the conclusion there is that while Illinois was worse when Ty was actively contributing to the offense, Illinois was a significantly better team when he was on the court so the "intangibles" argument for him does hold water (i.e., when Ty was on the court you wanted TSJ or Marcus initiating offense, but Ty's off-ball work was invaluable)
Right now we only have one 5 who is playing really well. I agree Tomi affects the team a lot and I hope he comes back
Even without him we can beat anyone but if our 3 is not going in we can lose to anyone
With that said this team can score in a blink of an eye or struggle. We just haven’t been consistent to be a top 25 team but we have tons of potential
DGL could be dead even with Ben in 3pt percentage, and he'd still improve the offense because he drives the damn ball.
I appreciate the feedback but am more skeptical of how good we are. I think we need everyone back and healthy to be a top 20 team
I don't think this is necessarily true, and nobody (that I've seen, at least) has been arguing that we should ignore numbers or statistical analysis anywhere here.
I just thought your initial comment using only the "active" possession numbers left out too much of the complete picture (and the traffic cone example was odd), but I also think your additional analysis in this last post does a better job of fleshing out a more complete story with the stats, by including possessions where he's on the floor but "passive" and also off the floor.
Also the comparison between Ben and Ty from last year is interesting.
Ryllini
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Another thing I forgot to mention during the game thread was how awful our passing was last night. I'm not talking turnovers, I'm talking passes to guys where they'd have to catch it completely out of any triple threat action. There were so few good ones, I remember being caught off guard by a few that were on target. I didn't see one good post entry feed out out of maybe the 3 attempted.
It's not like Nebby was playing Houston Cougar style defense. Very frustrating.
It's not like Nebby was playing Houston Cougar style defense. Very frustrating.
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