gandalf
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Does Illinois become the Champ? Or is it just left blank?
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Vacated means no champ.
Are they in trouble? I've been away, so is this just a random question, or is there smoke about something?
So basically they have no way of making a wrong right. Right?
Such a joke. They get all of the experiences of winning a championship then 10 years later it is "vacated" What a joke.
Really wish the threat of getting caught and what would happen would outweigh the risk of cheating to begin with...but as we have seen with Penn State that clearly will never be the case.
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Such a joke. They get all of the experiences of winning a championship then 10 years later it is "vacated" What a joke.
Really wish the threat of getting caught and what would happen would outweigh the risk of cheating to begin with...but as we have seen with Penn State that clearly will never be the case.
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There has been a significant academic scandal at UNC regarding sham classes, tutors, etc. Some players were technically illiterate. I've been following this for awhile because ESPN's "Outside the Lines" show has been covering this story in depth and hasn't allowed it to die. Really pretty sad.
BTW, I am frequent basher of ESPN, but I give them credit for keeping OTL on the air and apparently not limiting what they do.
Joel Goodson
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"30 for 30" is great too. 'Course, those pieces are done by independents, AFAIK. ESPN still sucks.
The Fab Five never won a game either.
Yes, the 30F30 pieces have been very good overall.
+1 What else can you say
Illinithad
- Northeast Missouri
Yeah, well it's a "blue blood" so at the end of the day the NCAA will look the other way.
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This is why I have lost major interest in college athletics. When guys like Calipari and Pitino are idolized there is something wrong with your product.
The academic scandals like these that happen I think lend even more credence to the unionization of college athletes. School can become a benefit to them, much like how companies will sometimes pay for continuing education if they feel it benefits the employee and the company. Players will not be required to take the classes, but if they wish, can take classes there while they play for the school.
This has multiple benefits. 1) It forces responsibility onto the players to get their education while they have a chance, and 2) if the player is likely to go professional anyway, it allows them to work on their game at their leisure without worrying that the classes they take will interfere with their development as a player.
This has multiple benefits. 1) It forces responsibility onto the players to get their education while they have a chance, and 2) if the player is likely to go professional anyway, it allows them to work on their game at their leisure without worrying that the classes they take will interfere with their development as a player.
illinoisfan11
- Peoria, IL
As much as I hate UNC, and especially the McCants team that beat our beloved, this is NOT unique to UNC. I'd be pretty comfortable saying it happens at UI and every other major D1 program. One of my best friends played basketball at Northwestern, and he said the athletes there took sham classes too. He always joked that most of the basketball and football players majored in "underwater fire prevention".
If UNC is forced to vacate the title, it should be because the refs handed it to them, not because the concept of the "student-athlete" is a joke.
If UNC is forced to vacate the title, it should be because the refs handed it to them, not because the concept of the "student-athlete" is a joke.
Kams Bathroom
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Nothing.
They've already tried to in this case. They did an investigation and decided since non-athletes were also enrolled in these sham classes, it wasn't an issue specific to the athletic dept and thus not something they'd consider a problem.
I don't believe that for one minute!
BoolahBoolah
- Scottsdale, AZ
We become elite. ELITE.
I think every school should just be brazen about it and admit it. It would be a national scandal, but then suddenly it wouldn't look so bad on the schools that were already trying to follow their desired model but rather on the NCAA and what a real disaster they are.
I sometimes wonder if the NCAA realized just how bad things are and let go of most of its enforcement staff believing that these reforms need to happen before they can even consider the idea of "enforcement".
I sometimes wonder if the NCAA realized just how bad things are and let go of most of its enforcement staff believing that these reforms need to happen before they can even consider the idea of "enforcement".
MrQuist
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The NCAA is not going to make them vacate the title based on what is public today.
Here's a novel idea: how about the NBA sets up a minor league system just like MLB and then if players don't want to go to school they don't have to. Would not at all support any kind of system that allows a kid to play for a university but not even take classes at the university as was suggested in an earlier post. This would weed out all, if not most, of those players that are only there because they can't get paid professionally in the U.S. yet. This is one area where I think MLB has the right idea. Let's face it, there are some kids who are not cut out for college at all, and this would benefit them and those who are ready to contribute at the NBA level or would shortly. NBA and NCAA need to work something out, but doubt they do.
Groundhogday
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At every university, scholarship athletes (and other students who want an easy ride) take weak classes. But that isn't the same thing as offering the kind of paper classes described by McCants. And having tutors write papers is not a common practice at all D1 universities. I served as a athletic department tutor at Wisconsin for several years and certainly never wrote papers for athletes or heard of anyone else doing so.
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