Ohio State 42, Illinois 19 Postgame

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#152      
Dr.O
SescIllini said:
Not liking what I'm seeing from Hauck. See.s like we are 3 months away from where we should be now. Our experienced secondary is looking pedestrian at best. D line and linebackers are not BIG level.
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I agree. Hauck's defense might be effective in his previous conference or a DII or DIII football football programs. But I just don't see working at the B10 level.
 
#153      
Fly Illini Fly!
EmeraldCityIllini said:
I'm fine with calling out the money, mostly because i think it gets eyeballs and attention to an issue that needs attention - us talking about it, is better than us not.

That said, we could be doing a whole lot more to make this a tad easier on ourselves and more enjoyable. To me, it a clear cut good example - the offense is well coached and performs. The defense isn't and doesn't perform.

I don't think that offense is top 20 talent wise in the sport. But I think they have the coaching and infrastructure and player identification/development, that Lunney performs. He finds good QB's, he finds good WR's (or has a good coach at that position), and he makes the backs work.
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Good points. I do think the talent on the offense is drastically more than the defense.

Maybe not from a recruiting rank standpoint, but just in terms of having the dudes.
 
#154      
Brosky
They have to beat Ohio State soon. Tough game with some good moments. Let's get a win vs Purdue and go from there.
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Agreed. Okay, we're back where we started. 2-2;; time to begin a new season.
 
#156      
Fly Illini Fly!
Jeremiah Smith:

• 12 receptions (career-high)
• 217 receiving yards (career-high)
• 4 receiving TD’s (career-high)
 
#159      
RML
Dr.O said:
I agree. Hauck's defense might be effective in his previous conference or a DII or DIII football football programs. But I just don't see working at the B10 level.
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Let's see how it's doing at the end of the season.
 
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blackdog
#162      
MustangWally
therealmiket86 said:
I’m not a fan of Hauck but he’s not the guy out there missing tackles. We definitely are lacking in talent. I do think this defensive staff we brought over from Montana is pretty bad
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Wasn't Hauck a last second replacement for another hire who bolted before even taking the job? Maybe he's just a stopgap till we get the guy we want. Do we know what his contract looks like?
 
#165      
Mr. Tibbs
MustangWally said:
Wasn't Hauck a last second replacement for another hire who bolted before even taking the job? Maybe he's just a stopgap till we get the guy we want. Do we know what his contract looks like?
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pretty sure he has a 2 year deal at 700,000-750,000 per yr
 
#167      
fuddrules
MustangWally said:
Wasn't Hauck a last second replacement for another hire who bolted before even taking the job? Maybe he's just a stopgap till we get the guy we want. Do we know what his contract looks like?
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The name thrown out was Charlie Partridge. I don't think that was ever serious, just a red herring.

I think they were waiting for some contractual date so Hauck could retire to avoid paying an out clause. Then he retired, then signed with Illinois.

He signed over 3 weeks after the portal closed.

The players Hauck & Co. got is what Illinois gave him.

Mississippi State signed Zach Arnett to 3 years, 3.75M. Illinois signed Hauck to 2 years, 1.45M.

The Illinois defense is the economy option top to bottom except a few players.

Bielema, fans and media can throw a fit but they got what they paid for. Illinois isn't Iowa.
 
#168      
bluemountain
fuddrules said:
The name thrown out was Charlie Partridge. I don't think that was ever serious, just a red herring.

I think they were waiting for some contractual date so Hauck could retire to avoid paying an out clause. Then he retired, then signed with Illinois.

He signed over 3 weeks after the portal closed.

The players Hauck & Co. got is what Illinois gave him.

Mississippi State signed Zach Arnett to 3 years, 3.75M. Illinois signed Hauck to 2 years, 1.45M.

The Illinois defense is the economy option top to bottom except a few players.

Bielema, fans and media can throw a fit but they got what they paid for. Illinois isn't Iowa.
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We put our money into our QB, Iowa put theirs into their defense
 
#169      
Chillinini
Offense is solid. Defense is why this team will barely win 6 games. Hauck grifted this program for his retirement checks. Defense is poor.
 
#170      
JSpence
illinois_hustle said:
The 4x-1x has bothered me every time I see it on the bottom of my screen bcuz every idiot is seeing that and thinking blowout. Game wasn't like that.
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Fair, but we should only care about it as far as missed opportunity with donors goes.

If it ever comes up, the coaches can easily point out that we could have had 20 and they'll continue to take those risks and give players chances to win their games. They also have the stat for our 19-pts and 16-pts against OSU's defense to point to, which will look cool until they go to Bloomington in 20 days.
 
#171      
Second place is 1st loser
BrownTown said:
I keep seeing this NIL and lack of talent complaining in terms of our defense.


Lack of talent didn’t put 9 men on the field in critical situation.

Nor did if cause the lack of communication, tackling, or 1 on 1 coverage on all world Jeremiah Smith in the red zone.

Kirk Ferentz isn’t bitching about money at the podium. His teams are still playing fundamentally sound and fighting every game to the last second. WITH LESS NIL.

Stop complaining about your money and start working about bringing about a disciplined approach to the game —especially on defense— because we haven’t seen that in Illinois since Walters left.
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News for you. OSU is more than likely going to win the conference and it's not because every team they play are coached poorly. It's because they are more talented than everyone they play. Outside of Bailey, there is not one player on our defense that they wouldn't even bother recruiting. This goes for Oregon(Nike) and Michigan as well. It's 100% based on money and resources.

Conversely, the amount of money that goes into our basketball program is near the top of the conference and we can position ourselves to land 5 star recruits, so we end up with high seeds in the NCAA Tournament, going to Elite 8's and Final Fours. Given our roster, which is expensive, we could go for a second year in a row. That would be 3 years of an Elite 8 or Final Four in the last 4 years. When we lose the majority of our roster next year, we'll reload and will be at the top of the conference again. As a percentage of the revenue the athletic department greases the wheels of the basketball team because a roster of 12 guys is in the budget. A roster of 50 guys isn't.

We had to choose which side of the ball to spend out money on and it was clearly the offense and it shows. Iowa clearly spends their money on their defense and it clearly shows. That offense sucks and it has for the last 5 years. They win games 10-9. That drive they had yesterday was WILDLY lucky. They benefitted from a moronic personal foul by the Michigan DB on a terribly thrown ball and they benefitted from a ball that was tipped in the air twice and fell into the TE's lap. That wasn't a skillful drive, BUT the defense kept them in the game. When that happens , you give yourself a chance at the end. That's been the case with them for years. More news, Iowa fans have wanted Ferentz gone fore years.

Now, I do think that we have to reconsider how we allocate our football money. Absolutely. We have to pick a side. Keep in mind, this is the second year in a row that we're criticizing the defensive coordinator for failures. At what point do we just accept the fact that the talent isn't there? We're slow and flat out not as athletic as other teams. Oregon is going to do the exact same thing to us as last year. It's not the scheme. It's the players in it. It's ok to come to this conclusion. We either have to have the big money donors kick in more money to accommodate both sides of the ball or pick a side to focus on. If we choose to put our money into the defense, you'll be complaining about Lunney next year.
 
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#172      
lined2left
Too bad Illinois couldn’t take their new scoreboard with them to Columbus. The highlights of Jeremiah would’ve been awesome to watch on it.
 
#173      
Second place is 1st loser
fuddrules said:
The name thrown out was Charlie Partridge. I don't think that was ever serious, just a red herring.

I think they were waiting for some contractual date so Hauck could retire to avoid paying an out clause. Then he retired, then signed with Illinois.

He signed over 3 weeks after the portal closed.

The players Hauck & Co. got is what Illinois gave him.

Mississippi State signed Zach Arnett to 3 years, 3.75M. Illinois signed Hauck to 2 years, 1.45M.

The Illinois defense is the economy option top to bottom except a few players.

Bielema, fans and media can throw a fit but they got what they paid for. Illinois isn't Iowa.
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Bingo.
 
#174      
Mr. Tibbs
fuddrules said:
The name thrown out was Charlie Partridge. I don't think that was ever serious, just a red herring.

I think they were waiting for some contractual date so Hauck could retire to avoid paying an out clause. Then he retired, then signed with Illinois.

He signed over 3 weeks after the portal closed.

The players Hauck & Co. got is what Illinois gave him.

Mississippi State signed Zach Arnett to 3 years, 3.75M. Illinois signed Hauck to 2 years, 1.45M.

The Illinois defense is the economy option top to bottom except a few players.

Bielema, fans and media can throw a fit but they got what they paid for. Illinois isn't Iowa.
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yup

time for JW to use some of the increase in revenue from ticket sales and work the phones with donors to get out NIL up to the top 60% in the league . it’s hard to win a gun fight holding a knife
 
#175      
pvaughn8
fuddrules said:
The name thrown out was Charlie Partridge. I don't think that was ever serious, just a red herring.

I think they were waiting for some contractual date so Hauck could retire to avoid paying an out clause. Then he retired, then signed with Illinois.

He signed over 3 weeks after the portal closed.

The players Hauck & Co. got is what Illinois gave him.

Mississippi State signed Zach Arnett to 3 years, 3.75M. Illinois signed Hauck to 2 years, 1.45M.

The Illinois defense is the economy option top to bottom except a few players.

Bielema, fans and media can throw a fit but they got what they paid for. Illinois isn't Iowa.
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