Ohio State 42, Illinois 19 Postgame

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AirTran
Ryllini said:
The biggest missed play of the game by the defense. Unacceptable. It’s a whole different game if they get him to the ground.
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Why is it "unacceptable?" Are you saying that Cameron Thomas was dogging it? I would like to see you beat Ian Moore to the outside an tackle Sayin in one step. we missed the opportunity to cover Sayin up, but it wasn't due to lack of effort.
IlliniWu said:
That's not how I read it. Just unacceptable not to get him on the ground in that situation. Thomas had him buy at that point everybody should be right there with him to get him if he slips out.

It was a good play until the finish but I'm sure there aren't going to be too many of those misses for Thomas. I would have him starting before the year is out.
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Yes, but Thomas was never in position to make the tackle - that was my point. We had three players in the backfield, but Ohio kept blocking after the play broke down. That is why Sayin was able to run through our rush.
 
#102      
AirTran
IlliniWu said:
That's not how I read it. Just unacceptable not to get him on the ground in that situation. Thomas had him buy at that point everybody should be right there with him to get him if he slips out.

It was a good play until the finish but I'm sure there aren't going to be too many of those misses for Thomas. I would have him starting before the year is out.
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He didn't miss. Go back and watch the play, his feet were never in position to make the tackle. Which is why he reached for the shoulder pads. It wasn't for Thomas to make the play (he was chasing from an outside block). It was up to Barna and Barnett to help clean up. Go back and look - neither of them were able to get close enough to Sayin to put a hand on him. There was no failure. Ohio State did exactly what all talented offensive lineman do, when your man beats you, you turn toward the quarterback and block the next free defender. Watch the play again - Barna and Barnett got into the backfield, but they never got close to Sayin.
 
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AirTran
Fighter of the Nightman said:
What bothers me is I know Bret is really smart and a good coach. Didn’t we realize we had some advantages on offense and a SERIOUS issue on defense? This seems like it could have been avoided and an infuriatingly wasted opportunity of a season.

I complain about the ugly-!!! Horseshoe more than anyone alive, but if I knew what our defense looked like, I’d want all $100 million of Gies’ money going toward the roster. We have put so much effort into changing the perception to “Illinois is an 8+ wins per year program” … this would be a terribly depressing year to lose that momentum.
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While I agree with you - I will say it again - the poorest coaching job in Duke game was Bret. And Bret has a personal spotter in the press box. If we have 9 players on the field, we call time out. And that particular play is on the head coach, not the defensive coordinator.
 
#105      
AirTran
What bothers me is I know Bret is really smart and a good coach. Didn’t we realize we had some advantages on offense and a SERIOUS issue on defense? This seems like it could have been avoided and an infuriatingly wasted opportunity of a season.

I complain about the ugly-!!! Horseshoe more than anyone alive, but if I knew what our defense looked like, I’d want all $100 million of Gies’ money going toward the roster. We have put so much effort into changing the perception to “Illinois is an 8+ wins per year program” … this would be a terribly depressing year to lose that momentum.
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While I agree with you - I will say it again - the poorest coaching job in Duke game was Bret. And Bret has a personal spotter in the press box. If we have 9 players on the field, we call time out. And that particular play is on the head coach, not the defensive coordinator.
 
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IlliniWu
AirTran said:
He didn't miss. Go back and watch the play, his feet were never in position to make the tackle. Which is why he reached for the shoulder pads. It wasn't for Thomas to make the play (he was chasing from an outside block). It was up to Barna and Barnett to help clean up. Go back and look - neither of them were able to get close enough to Sayin to put a hand on him. There was no failure. Ohio State did exactly what all talented offensive lineman do, when your man beats you, you turn toward the quarterback and block the next free defender. Watch the play again - Barna and Barnett got into the backfield, but they never got close to Sayin.
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I basically said that everybody should be there to help him clean up. I disagree that he wasn't in position. It happens, but I don't think that will be the case furthermore.
 
#109      
Ryllini
AirTran said:
Why is it "unacceptable?" Are you saying that Cameron Thomas was dogging it? I would like to see you beat Ian Moore to the outside a tackle Sayin in one step. we missed the opportunity to cover Sayin up, but it wasn't due to lack of effort.
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Never said it was a lack of effort, great effort to get there, but that’s the gig. He got to the qb and didn’t finish. I’d be hard pressed to think Cam would say otherwise. And then we had another one on the same play over play it and whiffed on a one arm wrap up. Unacceptable.
 
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blackdog
Ryllini said:
Never said it was a lack of effort, great effort to get there, but that’s the gig. He got to the qb and didn’t finish. I’d be hard pressed to think Cam would say otherwise. And then we had another one on the same play over play it and whiffed on a one arm wrap up. Unacceptable.
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That's a true freshman needing more time in the weight room
 
#113      
AirTran
Never said it was a lack of effort, great effort to get there, but that’s the gig. He got to the qb and didn’t finish. I’d be hard pressed to think Cam would say otherwise. And then we had another one on the same play over play it and whiffed on a one arm wrap up. Unacceptable.
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I hear you. But its not as if that play was ever going to get shut down. Go back and watch it. No one was even close to being to position to "wrap up." Have you ever played football? Go back and watch the play. If you have played, then you will completely understand - none of the three ever had a foot planted or was able to physically impede Sayin other than grabbing his shoulder pads.

On the other hand if you haven't played football, then its likely you have no idea what I am talking about.
 
#114      
AirTran
That's a true freshman needing more time in the weight room
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That's not correct either - he pushed away 310 lb lineman that is going to get drafted. He just never got close enough or in position to make the tackle. I am uncertain what game you were watching.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
Ryllini said:
Never said it was a lack of effort, great effort to get there, but that’s the gig. He got to the qb and didn’t finish. I’d be hard pressed to think Cam would say otherwise. And then we had another one on the same play over play it and whiffed on a one arm wrap up. Unacceptable.
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We’re just a bad tackling team at every level of the defense.
 
#117      
fuddrules
If OSU had an opportunity to replace defensive players from OSU with an illinois player, they'd poach exactly 1 player. Bailey.

Not even X has played well enough for OSU to be interested.

Illinois has marginal B1G talent on D. Illinois tries to build them up.

A few young guys show promise.

I don't care if Illinois runs a 3-3-5, 4--3 or even a 11-0-0. They can run through DC's every 3 years, every year, or do whatever. But until the talent improves the Illinois D will look the way it looked today. For better or worse.
 
#118      
EmeraldCityIllini
fuddrules said:
If OSU had an opportunity to replace defensive players from OSU with an illinois player, they'd poach exactly 1 player. Bailey.

Not even X has played well enough for OSU to be interested.

Illinois has marginal B1G talent on D. Illinois tries to build them up.

A few young guys show promise.

I don't care if Illinois runs a 3-3-5, 4--3 or even a 11-0-0. They can run through DC's every 3 years, every year, or do whatever. But until the talent improves the Illinois D will look the way it looked today. For better or worse.
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If X, making what he does can't be enough for OSU interested, that is also a resource allocation flaw.

Like i get the overall point being made, but don't miss on your highest priced guys then. It won't fix the talent gap between OSU and you, but it will improve your team a great deal.
 
#120      
fuddrules
This roster is built with far deeper/better talent on offense.

They have a head coach that doesn't like to outscore opponents but rather grind out wins.

There's a disconnect with roster construction. At least vs the top talented teams.

Maybe it pays off the rest of the year? I hope so as Illinois does have a opportunity to win quite a few more games.
 
#121      
Illini in Italy
I usually stay out of the game threads due to the hot takes, but it was a very positive experience today. The post game thread however, is

jurassic park deal with it GIF
 
#123      
SummerofGeorge
fuddrules said:
This roster is built with far deeper/better talent on offense.

They have a head coach that doesn't like to outscore opponents but rather grind out wins.

There's a disconnect with roster construction. At least vs the top talented teams.

Maybe it pays off the rest of the year? I hope so as Illinois does have an opportunity to win quite a few more games.
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Yes, the disconnect is getting beat by a team that more than doubles our NIL budget. Can’t pretend that doesn’t matter.
 
#125      
LouHenson
I hardly ever post a thing on the football board. Over the years I sort of just “enjoy” Illinois football. I am not quite old enough to remember when they really were good under Ray Elliot, but I have to say today I was just even more impressed with Bert.

He is perfect for Illinois. We looked like just as good a team as them minus one NFL number 1 pick. Bert does that with players who might not make tOSU’s practice squad.

He is a hell of a good coach
 
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