Ohio State 72, Illinois 60 Postgame

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Can I be the guy who posts the stats about Underwood's Big 10 record and wins against top 10 teams, but also think it's a little weird how often he spends his postgame pressers expressing dismay over his team's performance?
 
#128      
I wouldn't say that. Brad is the same coach he was last year, the year before and his first year here. What's different this year is the youth and inexperience of the team. We're relying on three true freshmen and one (essentially) redshirt freshman to provide a ton of minutes. I'm not trying to give this team a pass by any means, but we only have one player from last year's team getting significant minutes. What is it they say? The best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. We've had to live with the inexperience all season, combined with two key transfers and two sophomores that haven't been able to contribute as expected this year.

Here's hoping these freshmen and sophomores stick around awhile and gel much like the seniors at Northwestern did, or as the Frazier/Williams/Kofi team did last year.
Agree. I know I will collect flack, but I dont consider BU an elite coach.

We have been very successful in B10 and I love our progress under BU but I generally believe that we have underperformed with our available talent most years under BU, including this year. The years not over though.
 
#131      
Lol of all the things today, this is your complaint? He didn’t have to run back on D because it was an And-1 and media timeout. Maybe you should go back and look it up again. Coleman brought it today even if some others didn’t.
Oh, heck yeah. Plenty to complain about but if I did that I'd be just copying the majority of posts today (and throughout the season) and reposting.
To me this is example of the mentality of the team.
Yep, I want one of my key players pre-game thinking, man if I can somehow get a play to give a shoutout to the Crush.
 
#132      
Someone mentioned it in the game thread, but where does the "heat check" mentality come from? Whenever anyone on this team makes a three, they seem to think they are entitled to another attempt, even if it is well behind the line and contested. It isn't just one or two guys either, it's everyone. I don't notice guys on other teams doing that nearly as much, so what is it about our team that is different?
 
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#135      
Agree. I know I will collect flack, but I dont consider BU an elite coach.

We have been very successful in B10 and I love our progress under BU but I generally believe that we have underperformed with our available talent most years under BU, including this year. The years not over though.
Having Ayo, Kofi, and Trent for a few years covers up a lot of mistakes and gets you a lot of wins that you don't get with the players the Illini have now. I'm not saying we don't have good players, but they aren't anywhere close to what Brad had the past couple of years.
 
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illini80

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Someone mentioned it in the game thread, but where does the "heat check" mentality come from? Whenever anyone on this team makes a three, they seem to think they are entitled to another attempt, even if it is well behind the line and contested. It isn't just one or two guys either, it's everyone. I don't notice guys on other teams doing that nearly as much, so what is it about our team that is different?
No idea what other coaches philosophy on this is, but our guys clearly have the green light and so they take it.
 
#137      
I don't know man. Brad should pull these players (Jayden, Coleman, etc...) that decide the best plan on offense is to jack up 25-30 footers. I'm convinced Coleman thinks that he gets more points the further that he shoots the ball. Brad needs to rip into this team and tell them that we are shooting WAY too many shots that we can get whenever we want them. But he just lets those same culprits play and jack up stupid shots that occasionally go in.
Some of you guys, man… Coleman was *by far* the best player we had today, and his 2/5 from 3 performance you’ll take all day. Why even name him here?


Mayer, Shannon, even Harris were worse offenders than him today. This board just loves to hate Coleman.
 
#138      
That is not the gameplan. The fact that they go out there and do that and it’s clearly not the gameplan is what makes watching this team so unpleasant.

And to be fair, until we got some buckets in transition we were well under 50% from inside the arc. Nothing worked today.
BOLD: amen to that.

Non-Bold: We can’t play fast/change the tempo on teams if we can’t show enough focus and determination to consistently rebound both defensively AND offensively…in some sort of consistent organized way.

PAINFULLY OBVIOUS STATEMENT: On defensive because it starts the break. On offensive because of the greater odds to end it satisfactorily…

That is a good one for your “luck”-“character” discussion. If you show enough effort to consistently rebound you make at least a little of your own luck.
 
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Having Ayo, Kofi, and Trent for a few years covers up a lot of mistakes and gets you a lot of wins that you don't get with the players the Illini have now. I'm not saying we don't have good players, but they aren't anywhere close to what Brad had the past couple of years.

I don’t know that having those guys covered up anything. What we did have was continuity and a lot of 3-4 year guys who executed down the stretch and knew how to win close games, especially on the road.

This year we have almost no continuity and are leaning heavily on freshmen, who have been great but have made enough mistakes to cost us a couple of close games. Usually the price you pay leaning on freshmen and we are no different. In fact Trent/DaMonte Ayo etc had some excruciating losses early (anyone remember Maryland where DaMonte just had to inbound the ball?) before they learned how to win.

We win at Iowa and IU and the season looks a lot different even with this blemish and getting swept by Penn state.

Think Underwood is in the upper echelon of BIG coaches which means he is in the upper echelon of coaches in the country. Recruiting is great, and he seems ahead of the curve on the portal/NIL era. We are in good hands.
 
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Yes O$U is playing well right now. Once they took an ineffective Key out they been playing better

If you shoot the 3 as bad as we did today you won’t win many games

Team looked slow and lacked energy today. Don’t know if 3 games this week plus putting the energy into the NW had affects or what
Not sure when they shut Key down, but the results of their 4 games prior to today were:

Lost to Michigan St by 21
Lost to Iowa by 17
Lost to Purdue by 27
Lost to Penn State by 4
 
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ginabackes00

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Things that are freshman mistakes I‘m seeing are small but impact us defensively…going for the big play, whether it be a loose ball, long rebound, or a steal they 90% won’t get that takes them out of the play creating a four on five.
 
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Mayer's on the floor because he shoots well. He's one of the best shot creators in the nation, and its not close, we live with him. I agree, TSJ needs to get a grip and realize he's just better going down hill than shooting the ball. That's on Brad to let him know his role on this team. But that should've been done in November, not March.
Mayer is now shooting 36% from 3, or about 25 points higher than Shannon. That’s one more make per 40 shots. He’s also 14-46 in his last six games and laid a pretty big egg today. He freelances as much as anyone out there and the fact that he does get hot from time to time doesn’t change the fact that he’s not executing the offense. People see him make a couple in a row and his halo becomes blinding, I guess.

Underwood has likely been making the point that his team needs to run the offense and defensive schemes as planned all season long, because they’re not doing it. He basically said as much a couple of months ago. They can either buy in, or just keep doing this and hope that guys get hot and carry them as far as they can.
 
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BOLD: amen to that.

Non-Bold: We can’t play fast/change the tempo on teams if we can’t show enough focus and determination to consistently rebound both defensively AND offensively…in some sort of consistent organized way.

PAINFULLY OBVIOUS STATEMENT: On defensive because it starts the break. On offensive because of the greater odds to end it satisfactorily…

That is a good one for your “luck”-“character” discussion. If you show enough effort to consistently rebound you make at least a little of your own luck.
When you lose by double digits luck is quite a bit less important.
 
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