OTL Report on Michigan State

#76      
You need to immediately hand the complaints over to an objective (or at least as objective as possible) party that has authority to do the investigation that it deems necessary. I don't think you necessarily make it public right away, but do so as soon as there's substantiation of the complaint.

As soon as you turn it over to the police, it is going to become public
 
#77      

jmilt7

Waukegan
What farcical characters they are. I liked Izzo until he looks like he aged `100 years overnight and all those great barbques hefting victory mugs comes down to, if any of my athletes !!!! up cover up as much as you can. I truly believe every coach gets away with as much as he can then says he knows nothing and somebody else take over...and they do til they're so pompous they go down. This thing at Michigan St is horribly wrong.

And then they get hired as analysts (or whatever) for ESPN or other sports networks.
 
#79      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Izzo getting hammered with questions by an OTL reporter after the win @ Maryland. Says he "doesn't remember why" Walton left the program in 2010...not the best answer.

Video: https://twitter.com/AlMartinWKAR/status/957719396537061376

Wow.

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#80      
Whoa!! Ol' Tommy looks very, very bad in that little clip! If he isn't in any hot water he'd better come up with a better story than "we've cooperated with every investigation" and "I'm not going to talk about anything but basketball"!

This is looking like it's going to get very ugly!
 
#81      
#82      
Wow - that was awful. 24 hours ago I would have said nothing could touch Izzo, but that was so painful. It’s like nobody prepared him for hard questions at all.

I will I have and I will continue as a standard answer (yes I know he is now the one being coached), sounds a lot like I plead the 5th, I plead the 5th...
 
#83      

Deleted member 29907

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Izzo getting hammered with questions by an OTL reporter after the win @ Maryland. Says he "doesn't remember why" Walton left the program in 2010...not the best answer.

Video: https://twitter.com/AlMartinWKAR/status/957719396537061376

MSU Legal/PR: "Tom, if someone starts asking about the abuse issues we've ignored in the past, turn to page 3 of this document - it clearly states your response - but to look genuine, please just respond as if its off the top of your head. And for gosh sakes, don't perform one of those look up and to the right 'boy is she pissing me off' gestures - it will only make you look worse"
 
#84      
Wow - that was awful. 24 hours ago I would have said nothing could touch Izzo, but that was so painful. It’s like nobody prepared him for hard questions at all.


The manor in which Izzo answered the reporters questions, will only lead to more of these type of questions....it looks like the worst is yet to come....feel badly for the current MSU players, as this is going to be the focus going forward...not how well they play...or how well they do in conference play or the tourney....I am not saying that Izzo should step down or that he could be released.....but has Izzo ever had any health issues????.....if so, he might want to consider taking a medical leave of absence until the end of the season...this would help deflect these kind of questions from the team
 
#85      
Wow - that was awful. 24 hours ago I would have said nothing could touch Izzo, but that was so painful. It’s like nobody prepared him for hard questions at all.

After all the awful responses we've seen from every level of this investigation, there is a zero percent chance that MSU has a competent PR person.
 
#86      
.I am not saying that Izzo should step down or that he could be released.....but has Izzo ever had any health issues????.....if so, he might want to consider taking a medical leave of absence until the end of the season...this would help deflect these kind of questions from the team

I do not think there are proper words for Izzo or any MSU coach to say publicly. Yes they need to have an immediate search for a new PR advisor to attempt a little damage control. However, a medical leave or any other reason would only admit guilt to the media that would sadly run wild with even more speculation.
 
#87      
After all the awful responses we've seen from every level of this investigation, there is a zero percent chance that MSU has a competent PR person.

Yup, they're in 'rats on a sinking ship' mode. Too many people running for cover, when the University needs to recognize they've made a disastrous series of mistakes, and need to come forward with a plan for transparency and remediation.

Izzo clearly isn't ready for this --maybe he doesn't see the connection being made between the gymnastics horror show and other programs. Maybe this will be a wake-up call.
 
#88      
What I don't get at all about the whole MSU situation is why in the world they didn't dismiss Larry Nassar years ago at they first hint of any complaints? Why cover that up?
 
#89      
What I don't get at all about the whole MSU situation is why in the world they didn't dismiss Larry Nassar years ago at they first hint of any complaints? Why cover that up?

That's the billion dollar question, isn't it?
 
#90      

redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
What I don't get at all about the whole MSU situation is why in the world they didn't dismiss Larry Nassar years ago at they first hint of any complaints? Why cover that up?

My only guess is that at first there was some combination of "oh, these complaints are b.s., all just a part of the business" and "eh that doesn't sound too good, but that's really someone else's problem." Then when it gets to a point of "oh these allegations are pretty nasty" and "oh actually, this is my problem to deal with", they would rather try to avoid the situation out of fear and discomfort rather than draw attention to it. Not really how I think I would choose to conduct my business, but it seems many people end up failing in this way.
 
#92      
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...Rss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomsports-topstories


Earvin Magic Johnson
✔ @MagicJohnson

If anyone was aware of the sexual assault happening to women on the MSU campus from the office of the President, Board of Trustees, athletic department, faculty & campus police, and didn’t say or do anything about it, they should be fired.

Edit: I guess I should say about PSU, nobody that I was aware of. I am not all knowing, lol
8:00 AM - Jan 29, 2018

Much respect for Magic. Nobody of any stature whatsoever at PSU said anything like this ever. Way to turn up the heat and put the focus on morality, Magic :thumb:
 
#93      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
I think speculation is already running wild....rumors of his retiring at seasons end...good example....but this would deflect away the speculation from the team....which clearly isn't going away as long as Izzo is still on the bench....maybe Izzy's guilty..maybe he's innocent in all this...there may be only very few people who know this at this point and time....medical leave would give them time to sort out the mess and give the team and current players some breathing room

Not that I'm defending him, but why would Izzo need to step away for this to happen?

BTW, in case anyone cares to hear it, what MSU is going through right now is the textbook case of "Not controlling the narrative."
 
#94      

Gunner23

Panama City, Florida
Izzo getting hammered with questions by an OTL reporter after the win @ Maryland. Says he "doesn't remember why" Walton left the program in 2010...not the best answer.

Video: https://twitter.com/AlMartinWKAR/status/957719396537061376

Strange answer, as I heard on the radio tonight that Walton lived in Izzo's basement while he was a student assistant coach at MSU. That info might or might not be accurate, but would it would be difficult to "not remember" why one of your student assistants, who lived in your house at the time, left the program.
 
#95      
Man, you should see some of the stuff being said on the Michigan State boards.

I saw it with Penn State die-hards, too. When it comes to sports, otherwise-decent people are perfectly willing to either deny, make excuses for, or outright justify heinous behavior. All for the sake of winning.

Honestly, my proudest moment as an Illini fan the past few years was our handling of the Kendrick Nunn situation. I wish KN well, but kicking our best player off the team for what he did was something that too few programs do. Quite the contrast from what's happening at Michigan State.

And yes, I got it. This isn't just an MSU thing. It happens at a LOT of places. But this isn't a time for whataboutism. MSU needs to pay -- mightily. And hopefully such a harsh punishment will incentivize other programs to manage their internal affairs more appropriately lest they be exposed and destroyed.



And let’s not forget how Ron Zook didn’t stand for any crap either.

He outright dismissed several players for much more minor infractions like petty theft and “violations of academic policies”:

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/il...cle_5fd3e14a-f621-50c6-968c-e905bbcb8a54.html

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...3080298_1_ron-zook-spring-practice-ron-turner



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#97      
That is, of course, unless the program is North Carolina.

You aren't wrong there. This should be a wake up call to the NCAA itself. They're just as guilty as letting this stuff slide until the pressure is on to look like you're actually doing something. That's a good point brucks.
 
#98      
That's my point precisely.

Sparty fans are more than willing to condemn Larry Nasser. I mean, who cares about women's gymnastics, anyway?

But the moment the ugly truth comes knocking on Dantonio and Izzo's door......well, suddenly it's not about justice and truth anymore. It's about deflecting and denying.

See, justice is only desirable as long as it doesn't bring down your guys. Combating sexual assault is a great thing.......until it requires punitive action against your beloved football and basketball programs. Then, it's a "witch hunt".

Despicable.

Every fan base in every sport has THAT group of fans.
It doesn’t mean the entire fan base shares that sentiment.
 
#99      

sbillini

st petersburg, fl
Of course not.

But man......go read the main MSU boards. They are pretty well united in their belief that all this smoke around Dantonio and Izzo is a media hit job.

Nasser? Yeah, he's a scumbag. But don't you dare touch Dantonio and Izzo!

You see this all the time - especially these days and certainly not just in sports.

I think there's a slight amount of validity in saying "you're digging up old stuff now just cuz you know it'll get more attention". That's what the "hit job" argument is. The problem with that argument is that just because it didn't get attention then doesn't mean it shouldn't have gotten it back then and that it shouldn't get it now. Sorry folks, it doesn't work like that. There's no statute of limitations in public opinion. That's why you do right the first time - and if that's what this helps enabling in the future, then I'm all for it.
 
#100      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
If something this rotten existed at Michigan State, what else was happening there?

If something this rotten existed at Michigan State, where else does it exist?

The likely answer to that is lots and lots of places. Anywhere there are persistent rumors about athletes getting special treatment from law enforcement, professors, "employers," etc. are places where things like this are likely to be happening, because these are more likely to be the "win at all costs" environments. Not definitively, of course, but more likely. Smoke doesn't always equal fire.