PostersLastStand
- Wayne County, IL
We couldn't make it out of the IHSA 1A regional.
Penn State 71, Illinois 67 POSTGAME
It's almost like we have to shake off the awful pre game speech and game plan before we can start playing some basketball?
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That's an NBA rule, not college. I'm guessing they called it because he didn't make a play on the ball, but not sure on that one since the PSU player didn't have the ball yet.
GortTheRobot
- North Bethesda, Maryland
Tough call, but it seemed clear he would have had the ball and a clear path to the basket.
PostersLastStand
- Wayne County, IL
Well, Self is not doing well at Kentucky's Ref-R-Arena. My jealousy is waning.
MrOizo
- Chicago
This is one you needed to win. Stormed back to within 3 points, all the momentum. Needed to do what was necessary down the stretch to pull this out. It's on the road, we were underdogs, but a win here shifts the narrative a little. With this loss, it's hard to imagine this season not involving fire and dumpster.
The reason he didn't have the ball yet is Tate grabbed his arm to prevent him from getting to the ball.
They will call that every time. And since there's no longer an intentional foul all of that type are flagrant IIRC.
Probably, but I don't think that's part of the definition of a flagrant foul. It's either excessive contact or not making a play on the ball.
Sure, it was definitely a foul. Just a marginal call to make it flagrant.
MrOizo
- Chicago
Agreed, hard to suggest that getting down 20 to Penn State is something that a high-pride, senior lead team should let happen.
Is knowing how to give a foul without getting a flagrant a coaching issue?
GortTheRobot
- North Bethesda, Maryland
Please explain, I sounded to me like the announcer was saying that they did away with excessive and just went to flagrant for all those instances. Is that the right interpretation?
That's what I understand. No intentional/flagrant. All of that type are now flagrant.
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Maybe we could , if we played like we did in the 2nd half.
Right, there is flagrant 1 and flagrant 2. Flagrant 1 somewhat replaced the old "intentional" foul.
PostersLastStand
- Wayne County, IL
We are seriously bad in our half court offense. We were successful against Iowa when we played up tempo. Very bad in half court sets. Too much time to think, conversely, when we are running or up tempo, no time to think, just react. Abrams and Tate have to play some minutes to rest Lucas, but they should be limited. Both almost always slow things down and dribble too much, then make very bad decisions. And if they happen to be playing well, Groce will find a lineup combo that doesn't work. Its a gift.
MrOizo
- Chicago
Solid post and analogy. Thanks for sharing-
PostersLastStand
- Wayne County, IL
Not if we spot them 20 points.
This. Though I almost hate myself for it.
Illinois came out the first half and dug a huge hole.
Can't tell me jet lag had any thing to do with such a lack luster start.
The initial plan to pound the ball down low would have worked if those soft bunnies would have fallen. Illinois was out played in the paint once again.
I love this team-It has Size-Talent and Heart. But there is something wrong with the chemistry on both side of the Ball.
We fought hard and clawed back in this game a trait that shows these kids never give up.
The Talent is here to compete and win games the Disconnect is we are not winning. This is a real head scratcher for me.
Can't tell me jet lag had any thing to do with such a lack luster start.
The initial plan to pound the ball down low would have worked if those soft bunnies would have fallen. Illinois was out played in the paint once again.
I love this team-It has Size-Talent and Heart. But there is something wrong with the chemistry on both side of the Ball.
We fought hard and clawed back in this game a trait that shows these kids never give up.
The Talent is here to compete and win games the Disconnect is we are not winning. This is a real head scratcher for me.
sdfidaho
- Boise, Idaho
Very Solid Post- To sum up your post I think it comes down to one word-LEADERSHIP
I completely agree. This team is so Jekyll and Hyde it doesn't make sense to me either. They show flashes where they appear to be firing at all cylinders and then other times don't look like they have a clue what they are doing. The only answer I can think of is coaching.
MrOizo
- Chicago
We have to be honest that in most matchups, we are worse at the following spots than our opponent:
PG: FAR worse
SG: On par at best; no depth
PF: Worse in depth
C: Worse in depth
At PG, we are totally outclassed. TJL has reduced the gap, but not enough. Our backups put us in trouble when in the game. Our backups at SG, PF, and C absolutely put us in danger (aside from Finke).
It's hard to win with inconsistent play by JCL and Black especially. When they are on along with Malcolm and Morgan, we can hang for stretches with solid teams. But then there's the "sum of our parts" analysis. Once you put us together, we are the opposite of Voltron. We just don't do anything particularly well that is repeatable.
I don't like this team very much, sadly. I will watch and I like a bunch of the players, but I am simply looking for growth from the young players and for awesomeness from Hill. That's the joy to be gained from this squad...
Bingo and should be playing