Technically, to within 2 points (67-69) but that was with only 2 seconds left...
Penn State 71, Illinois 67 POSTGAME
Technically, to within 2 points (67-69) but that was with only 2 seconds left...
Wow. Where does one even start with this post?
No business beating Penn State? Most experienced team in the B1G against the second least experienced team in the B1G? Have expectations fallen so far for the program that beating Penn State on the road is an unexpected outcome...
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies.
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9 consecutive road losses in BIG TEN play tying a school record. With a chance to break that record at NW- Thanks TCTORNADO for the stat.
Let that sink in for a moment. I have tried and it is hard to comprehend the downward spiral as evidenced by numbers.
Illinois has great talent on this team. Really hope we find a way to turn it around as a team. There is No Reason not to Win
My new slogan for Illinois Basketball Team is -THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO WIN
9 consecutive road losses in BIG TEN play tying a school record. With a chance to break that record at NW- Thanks TCTORNADO for the stat.
Let that sink in for a moment. I have tried and it is hard to comprehend the downward spiral as evidenced by numbers.
Illinois has great talent on this team. Really hope we find a way to turn it around as a team. There is No Reason not to Win
My new slogan for Illinois Basketball Team is -THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO WIN
Sounds good, patent the slogan before it gets stolen.
-but we will9 consecutive road losses in BIG TEN play tying a school record. With a chance to break that record at NW- Thanks TCTORNADO for the stat.
Let that sink in for a moment. I have tried and it is hard to comprehend the downward spiral as evidenced by numbers.
Illinois has great talent on this team. Really hope we find a way to turn it around as a team. There is No Reason not to Win
My new slogan for Illinois Basketball Team is -THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO WIN
-THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO WIN
Oh, but there is and it starts with John Groce and the coaching staff.
Just think; 9 consecutive B1G road losses is like going a whole season without a B1G road victory.
We also now have at least 5 consecutive B1G road games where the team was down by at least 20 points at some time during the game. Is that a record? I didn't check if that also extends into last season.
Maryland: -31 (2nd-07:01)
Indiana: -22 (1st-08:13)
Purdue: -27 (2nd-08:26)
Michigan: -21 (2nd-05:57)
Penn State: -22 (2nd-17:46)
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OK. Just looking for solutions. What's yours--from the standpoint of substitution
possibilities this year, not coaching replacement options at the end of the season.
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Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
Did you notice that las timeout Groce called when we were down about 5, he had TJL run all the way down to the end line before calling timeout. Apparently he had a pay he wanted to run from the end line, which would usually give you less room to work because of the narrow end of the court, and being near the corner. But hey, maybe he has a rock solid play to get an easy bucket. Alas, we look for options A, B, C and then D, and eventually have to throw a long lob which I think was stolen. Why, after our repeated failures, would we put faith in an inbounds play working, rather than inbounding from the timeline and then running an actual offensive play? It's bizarro.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
Even worse than that -- I was in the grocery store today, and happened to be wearing an Illini warmup jacket. An old woman nearby looked at the jacket, looked up at me and said, "University of Illinois?" I smiled and said, "Yup!" She pursed her lips a bit and then said, "Their basketball team is really having some trouble. What happened to them?"
I just shook my head sadly and jabbed a fork in my eye. It's a sad time indeed when little old ladies say Ni! to passing ruffians...
Was glad to hear you spared the little old lady and not jab the fork in her eye. Things have got to get better someday, just not right not. Go Illini.
"Don't get me wrong - in an ideal world, Tracy keeps shooting the ball well, we make the tournament, Groce somehow still gets fired, Tom Crean poops his pants on live television, and everyone goes home happy. But until then, I will haunt your TA-optimism for all of eternity."
"You can't assume that by burying some wide-open 3s against SEMO and Detroit, Tracy is all of the sudden a 3pt threat."
"People hopping on the "Tracy is shooting 50% from 3, he's so much better now, he should be our SG, etc." bandwagon might be optimistic."
-ILCommenter, Nov. 30.
Tracy Abrams 3pt % in B1G play: .074
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"You can't assume that by burying some wide-open 3s against SEMO and Detroit, Tracy is all of the sudden a 3pt threat."
"People hopping on the "Tracy is shooting 50% from 3, he's so much better now, he should be our SG, etc." bandwagon might be optimistic."
-ILCommenter, Nov. 30.
Tracy Abrams 3pt % in B1G play: .074
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In the interview, Groce says he talked to ME, but declined to say what they discussed. I get the feeling it wasn't great...
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
Somewhere else in the long littany of IL threads I posted that I defended Tracy's vast improvement in shooting and might be wrong.
That was about 6-7 games ago and 42,000 missed three's, but maybe I was premature.
Because, seriously, this can't be happening.
But it is anyway. Yup, all that optimism was premature.
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The problem is that TA is missing wide open threes now. It's in his head, not necessarily a tighter D.
Wow. Not good.
Foggy Notion
- San Francisco
Multiple personality disorder?
In the Big Ten season we are getting essentially no help from seniors other than Hill and that cannot be underestimated. At the very least, base on non-conference season you would be reasonable to expect some help from TA. I didn't expect him to continue to shoot 50+% from three but I also didn't expect him to shoot approximately 8% from three. Unquestionably, the kid fought incredibly hard to come back from his injuries and he deserves better, but as hard as he tries, his confidence is shot and everyone knows and sees it. I think Groce has given him a fair chance to shoot himself out of it and he has not done so and now it is negatively impacting other parts of his game.
As for Groce, I think LB is coming along. Seems more disciplined this year on the foul end is a killer on the boards and has a nice face up jump shot. Competes hard. If he can put on some muscle and develop a post game, we would have a real player. Finke has developed nicely. Again, a little more muscle and post game would do him wonders. Starting to compete better. Coaching staff has maxed out on Maverick. He worked very hard and it shows. Is about as good as he can get offensively and is a much better player than i hoped he would be. Nichols is a pest and plays terribly hard. He needs to develop a shot and is unafraid to drive to the hoop. Needs to learn how to finish. Decent start defensively and may turn into a real stopper something we haven't had in years on this team. Competes his tail off. Lucas is coming. Needs to learn how to finish at rim and get stronger and shoot the 3 aggressively. He could knock it down in high school. Needs to make that shot at least 35% of time. Competed harder against PSU in second half defensively than I have ever seen this season. JCL terrific shooter but seems to drift in games. Hope the light went on in second half the other night. Had a big game against IU as well when needed. Needs to develop ball skills and do better defensively. In sum, I think the younger guys individually and even some of the older guys have improved. A lot of the younger guys are competing harder than i have seen in years. That is a huge plus. Where changes need to come are from a strength and conditioning side and on the defensive side of the ball. Our guys are not strong enough to play hard defensively on a night in and night out basis. When they play well defensively i.e. against Michigan and the first half against Maryland and really for most of that game and second half against PSU is when they hustle and play hard. Those times they played extremely hard. I dont think they have the stamina physically to compete that much every night and when you are challenged as we are offensively with no true creator yet, they have to be able to play harder defensively. Clearly Groce preaches defense as evidence by his quick timeout and explosion in the second half. He needs to do better at the team defense concept needs to get better. Maybe an addition to staff of an older coach with a defensive mindset would help coordinate efforts. Just my two cents.
As for Groce, I think LB is coming along. Seems more disciplined this year on the foul end is a killer on the boards and has a nice face up jump shot. Competes hard. If he can put on some muscle and develop a post game, we would have a real player. Finke has developed nicely. Again, a little more muscle and post game would do him wonders. Starting to compete better. Coaching staff has maxed out on Maverick. He worked very hard and it shows. Is about as good as he can get offensively and is a much better player than i hoped he would be. Nichols is a pest and plays terribly hard. He needs to develop a shot and is unafraid to drive to the hoop. Needs to learn how to finish. Decent start defensively and may turn into a real stopper something we haven't had in years on this team. Competes his tail off. Lucas is coming. Needs to learn how to finish at rim and get stronger and shoot the 3 aggressively. He could knock it down in high school. Needs to make that shot at least 35% of time. Competed harder against PSU in second half defensively than I have ever seen this season. JCL terrific shooter but seems to drift in games. Hope the light went on in second half the other night. Had a big game against IU as well when needed. Needs to develop ball skills and do better defensively. In sum, I think the younger guys individually and even some of the older guys have improved. A lot of the younger guys are competing harder than i have seen in years. That is a huge plus. Where changes need to come are from a strength and conditioning side and on the defensive side of the ball. Our guys are not strong enough to play hard defensively on a night in and night out basis. When they play well defensively i.e. against Michigan and the first half against Maryland and really for most of that game and second half against PSU is when they hustle and play hard. Those times they played extremely hard. I dont think they have the stamina physically to compete that much every night and when you are challenged as we are offensively with no true creator yet, they have to be able to play harder defensively. Clearly Groce preaches defense as evidence by his quick timeout and explosion in the second half. He needs to do better at the team defense concept needs to get better. Maybe an addition to staff of an older coach with a defensive mindset would help coordinate efforts. Just my two cents.
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Get off the pot
This X infinity, this team because if it's leadership or lack there of, is a joke. Senior leadership? Coaching leadership? These do not exist on this team, every away game it is the same thing, come out sleep walking.
I cannot wait until JW pulls the plug on JG. There is enough talent on this team that there is NO excuse for this inconsitancy. ANY change in coaching would be an improvment at this point. Im sure the kool-aid drinkers on this board will take offense to this post, but dang it Illini, crap or get off the pot!
This X infinity, this team because if it's leadership or lack there of, is a joke. Senior leadership? Coaching leadership? These do not exist on this team, every away game it is the same thing, come out sleep walking.
I cannot wait until JW pulls the plug on JG. There is enough talent on this team that there is NO excuse for this inconsitancy. ANY change in coaching would be an improvment at this point. Im sure the kool-aid drinkers on this board will take offense to this post, but dang it Illini, crap or get off the pot!
OrangeAndBlues
- Indianapolis
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