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Penn State back in the news
At least joe pa died knowing we all knew
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PaytonHighstep
- Downers Grove, IL
I would love to know, how all these people have so much faith in JoePa? I mean there are multiple stories about how he basically ran PSU during his time there, but he wasn't aware of anything that was happening in his own football program related to Sandusky. LOL, ok...
I don't understand why the sanctions were relieved on that school. This is directly tied to the football program and its image/status. They covered this pedophile up, so they didn't damage their brand in football! It's plain as day in my eyes. I hope they have to pay up another $90MM and put that place into bankruptcy. It boggles my mind how people defend that institution. They allowed a pedophile full blown access to the football program after they forced him to retire. They gave him keys buildings and allowed him access to bowl game trips to groom his victims.
This is disgusting. How any parent could send there kid to an institution/fanbase that is trying to deflect all this, save their image, and keep their culture intact is beyond me.
I don't understand why the sanctions were relieved on that school. This is directly tied to the football program and its image/status. They covered this pedophile up, so they didn't damage their brand in football! It's plain as day in my eyes. I hope they have to pay up another $90MM and put that place into bankruptcy. It boggles my mind how people defend that institution. They allowed a pedophile full blown access to the football program after they forced him to retire. They gave him keys buildings and allowed him access to bowl game trips to groom his victims.
This is disgusting. How any parent could send there kid to an institution/fanbase that is trying to deflect all this, save their image, and keep their culture intact is beyond me.
I couldn't disagree more. I think all the guilty parties have been expunged. The courts have ruled. To me, it is over. We all know the powers that were in charge then were sick and ruthless. Move on, but never forget.
Let the current staff and kids play football like any other college.
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I disagree. The Penn State fans continue to believe that JoePa was a saint. They want to put his statue back up!
Shut it down, shut it all down.
IlliniRocketFan
- Rochester, IL
I have been on the fence about Penn State since this story broke. I believe there is no way "the coach" didn't know something and other people need to answer some questions truthfully (yea right).
With that being said, everyone that did or should have know what was going on is dead or fired. Should we now punish other adults and most of all the kids because of an issue they had no control over? Does anyone deserve a statue, hell no, but the current administration cleaned house as they should have. When your program was as successful as Penn State, it is hard for some fans to get past their denial. What saddens me is that the victims have to hear this again every time an article like this comes out and starts the debate again. Let's let the victims heal the best way that they can.
AEX
- Danger Zone
But the fault goes beyond Sandusky and JoePa. There is a blatant lack of institutional control, which allowed a known pedophile to leverage that institution's name, ethos, and resources to ensnare his victims.
PaytonHighstep
- Downers Grove, IL
Yes. That's the NCAA model. The people that made the poor decisions rarely have to live through the sanctions.
Because child molestation is among the most heinous of all crimes, but it is not a violation of NCAA rules.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but "lack of institutional control" means "lack of institutional control in ensuring compliance with the NCAA rulebook".
One might be tempted to charge Illinois with "lack of institutional control" given the rash of behavioral issues with our basketball players, clearly sufficient control is not being exercised. But that's not what LOIC means.
As was already stated, LOIC has no bearing in this case at all and shouldn't eve be brought up. And, once again, all of those people are gone. There comes a time when it is correct to move on. Move on for the benefit of the victims. Move on for everyone.
even if there was LOIC (which clearly there wasn't by definition) my other point is that word that sticks out should be WAS.
Past tense is appropriate here.
The whole institution knew for 30 years and they didn't do a damn thing. That is loic. And don't ever compare child molestation to the 3 instances that happened this spring
Listen, I am as disgusted by all of this as you are, but it is absolutely and unquestionably not LOIC as defined by NCAA rules.
penn state is an athletic program that shouldnt exist. a university that shouldnt exist. we will probably find out that the NCAA also knew of the abuse. otherwise, why haven't more sanctions been handed down. they in fact, even reduced sanctions.
Sandusky was up for a number of head coaching jobs in the 90's yet never was hired. he knew he was safe right there in happy valley.
my guess, dozens, if not hundreds of person knew about or heard rumors about penn state and jerry sanduky, yet no one spoke up. is this fear of the vaunted coach jo pa?
no excuses, ever. now the alumni want his statue put back up. there making more for top donors. dispicable.
Sandusky was up for a number of head coaching jobs in the 90's yet never was hired. he knew he was safe right there in happy valley.
my guess, dozens, if not hundreds of person knew about or heard rumors about penn state and jerry sanduky, yet no one spoke up. is this fear of the vaunted coach jo pa?
no excuses, ever. now the alumni want his statue put back up. there making more for top donors. dispicable.
Why do so many people think the NCAA is a law enforcement organization? They shouldn't have stuck their noses in this at all, not their fight, IMO.
People are very committed to the idea that wins and losses in football and/or basketball belong to the just and the NCAA is the arbiter of that justice. I find it very strange as well.
PaytonHighstep
- Downers Grove, IL
If PSU doesn't cover up these crimes by Sandusky through the years, are they the PSU we all knew during the 1970's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's? I don't believe so, which would have a direct impact on their W/L record. The school culture they cultivated by covering up Sandusky's crimes happening in their facilities and at bowl game sites is the most troubling aspect of this whole mess. They gave the sick freak the keys to the castle and let him do pretty much whatever he wanted. There is a basic ethical, moral obligation to do the right thing and PSU seems to have ignored these issues throughout the last 40 years.
I understand that LOIC doesn't directly relate to criminal activities/law enforcement, but I do believe LOIC discusses ethical standards at an academic/athletic institution. When hiding the Sandusky issues to protect your football culture and image to maintain success, is how I believe they are linked. I may be wrong, but it's maddening that PSU still exists.
If this whole thing comes to light in the 70's when Joe Pa heard about it - is PSU in the big ten?
I would like to say yes because if it came to light then, it would have been stopped then. But I really can't answer that because we don't know how it would have been handled by them or by the public in general.