Pregame: Illinois at Indiana, Saturday, September 20th, 6:30pm CT, NBC

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#701      
I think if we lead at halftime or keep it close we win. We are deeper on the D-line, they don't rotate many guys and can hopefully tire them out in the 4th. How explosive they are on offense scares me, need to hold them to 3 vs 7.
 
#703      
Someone please talk me off the ledge! The line moved from 4.5 to 6.5. It makes no sense why Illinois should be a 6.5-point underdog. If I had no emotional attachment to this game, I would bet on Indiana assuming the sharp bettors and odds makers know more than me.
I'll first say that if Scott is out, that really does hurt us ... and that is an ACTUAL reason to temper your expectations. However, an astonishing number of people here were adopting a sky is falling attitude here way before that. So, here I go ... and guess what?? You don't need a cherrypicked computer ranking or some other form of overthinking to accept these!

1. It was always going to be tough, and anyone should have known that! Indiana is a top 10 team, and it's a road game under the lights ... why would any of us EXPECT a win?? All you can do in these types of games is expect your squad to show up ready to play. On that point...
2. The VAST majority of time under Bielema, we have showed up - we are a very well-prepared team, overall. Sure, you have your outliers like the Oregon beatdown, but the fact is this team went into incredibly hostile night game atmospheres vs. ranked opponents at Nebraska and PSU last year, and we held our own in both (picking up the W in Lincoln). I don't really see a reason to believe we will all of a sudden lay down and take a beating vs. #19 Indiana.
3. Are we as good as Old Dominion? I'll go ahead and make the apparently bold proclamation that the #9-ranked and reigning Citrus Bowl champion Fighting Illini are in fact undeniably better than ODU, even with Scott out. If ODU can hang with the mighty Indiana, I think we can, too - even in a primetime atmosphere. Will our hanging around be enough to get a W? I don't know ... but Bielema's teams make a habit out of keeping themselves in tough games vs. opponents they "shouldn't beat," and that puts you in the position to sometimes pull out the W (e.g., 2021 at #9 PSU, 2021 at #20 Minnesota, 2023 at Maryland, 2024 vs. #19 KU, 2024 at #24 Nebraska, 2024 vs. #12 South Carolina, etc.).
4. Why are we all of a sudden acting like our coaching staff is completely outmatched? Lol, Bret and Cignetti both came to struggling programs and turned them around - admittedly in very different ways and on different timelines. Sure, Cig's approach was lightning quick and took the nation by storm ... but was it more sustainable? Let's also not discount that Bret has an absolutely unambiguously more impressive head coaching career overall, dating back to Wisconsin. He knows what he's doing every bit as much as Cig and Co. do.

This has been nothing short of an epic snowball, haha. We went from demolishing Duke on the road and having a "Bring on Indiana!" attitude, and the following happened...

1. Duke lost on the road by one TD (though it admittedly was more like a 10-point game) to a Tulane team that is 3-0 and looks pretty good from where I am sitting ... guess we'll see what they're made of this week when they play at #13 Ole Miss!
2. The Illini/Indiana game was announced as NBC's primetime game, making it more likely that it will be a rowdy atmosphere.
3. Indiana beat an FCS school 73-0 at home.
4. Illinois got off to a slow start vs. Western Michigan ... that turned into a 38-0 win, lol.
5. Our board welcomed some Hoosier visitors who, to put it mildly, espoused an enormous amount of confidence in both their coaching staff and personnel.
6. The Scott injury was announced.
7. The line for the game (which always favored the ranked home team, who would have thought??) moved accordingly.

Really only #6 should have any bearing about how we feel, lol. This is a tough road game vs. a ranked conference rival ... why wouldn't we expect a daunting task? We've stepped up to those challenges and won before, and we can again. We also might lose ... but the emotional distress and UTTER lack of confidence in this staff's and team's ability to even put themselves in a position to win is astonishing, at least to this fan.
 
#705      
I'll first say that if Scott is out, that really does hurt us ... and that is an ACTUAL reason to temper your expectations. However, an astonishing number of people here were adopting a sky is falling attitude here way before that. So, here I go ... and guess what?? You don't need a cherrypicked computer ranking or some other form of overthinking to accept these!

1. It was always going to be tough, and anyone should have known that! Indiana is a top 10 team, and it's a road game under the lights ... why would any of us EXPECT a win?? All you can do in these types of games is expect your squad to show up ready to play. On that point...
2. The VAST majority of time under Bielema, we have showed up - we are a very well-prepared team, overall. Sure, you have your outliers like the Oregon beatdown, but the fact is this team went into incredibly hostile night game atmospheres vs. ranked opponents at Nebraska and PSU last year, and we held our own in both (picking up the W in Lincoln). I don't really see a reason to believe we will all of a sudden lay down and take a beating vs. #19 Indiana.
3. Are we as good as Old Dominion? I'll go ahead and make the apparently bold proclamation that the #9-ranked and reigning Citrus Bowl champion Fighting Illini are in fact undeniably better than ODU, even with Scott out. If ODU can hang with the mighty Indiana, I think we can, too - even in a primetime atmosphere. Will our hanging around be enough to get a W? I don't know ... but Bielema's teams make a habit out of keeping themselves in tough games vs. opponents they "shouldn't beat," and that puts you in the position to sometimes pull out the W (e.g., 2021 at #9 PSU, 2021 at #20 Minnesota, 2023 at Maryland, 2024 vs. #19 KU, 2024 at #24 Nebraska, 2024 vs. #12 South Carolina, etc.).
4. Why are we all of a sudden acting like our coaching staff is completely outmatched? Lol, Bret and Cignetti both came to struggling programs and turned them around - admittedly in very different ways and on different timelines. Sure, Cig's approach was lightning quick and took the nation by storm ... but was it more sustainable? Let's also not discount that Bret has an absolutely unambiguously more impressive head coaching career overall, dating back to Wisconsin. He knows what he's doing every bit as much as Cig and Co. do.

This has been nothing short of an epic snowball, haha. We went from demolishing Duke on the road and having a "Bring on Indiana!" attitude, and the following happened...

1. Duke lost on the road by one TD (though it admittedly was more like a 10-point game) to a Tulane team that is 3-0 and looks pretty good from where I am sitting ... guess we'll see what they're made of this week when they play at #13 Ole Miss!
2. The Illini/Indiana game was announced as NBC's primetime game, making it more likely that it will be a rowdy atmosphere.
3. Indiana beat an FCS school 73-0 at home.
4. Illinois got off to a slow start vs. Western Michigan ... that turned into a 38-0 win, lol.
5. Our board welcomed some Hoosier visitors who, to put it mildly, espoused an enormous amount of confidence in both their coaching staff and personnel.
6. The Scott injury was announced.
7. The line for the game (which always favored the ranked home team, who would have thought??) moved accordingly.

Really only #6 should have any bearing about how we feel, lol. This is a tough road game vs. a ranked conference rival ... why wouldn't we expect a daunting task? We've stepped up to those challenges and won before, and we can again. We also might lose ... but the emotional distress and UTTER lack of confidence in this staff's and team's ability to even put themselves in a position to win is astonishing, at least to this fan.
Finally a voice of reason lol. Thank you for touching base on Wisco Bret. I still like our chances and I feel good about this matchup even with X being out. Championship caliber teams find ways to win regardless.
 
#706      
Has anyone been slightly underwhelmed by Faegin? I've been more impressed by Calil and Aidan.

I think a 4 point victory tomorrow.
 
#707      
Someone please talk me off the ledge! The line moved from 4.5 to 6.5. It makes no sense why Illinois should be a 6.5-point underdog. If I had no emotional attachment to this game, I would bet on Indiana assuming the sharp bettors and odds makers know more than me.
It actually makes perfect sense given the news that we have seen in the last couple of days. With Scott essentially ruled out, that is a pretty big hit to the Illini. That is not to say the Illini can't win the game, but it certainly does reduce the odds of winning. The line was initially open as giving IU the home field advantage plus a point or so. I think +6.5 is actually right in line with where it should be at this point. I actually would not be surprised if it nudges up even more as the game approaches.

On the bright side, the Illini have outperformed the spread a lot over Coach B's tenure. Hopefully that continues tomorrow night.

One key thing is not abandoning this team if tomorrow night does not go to plan. Even fully healthy, this game was going to be a coin flip at best. Hopefully the bounces will go our way tomorrow night, especially given the screw job in Bloomington the last time we were there.
 
#708      
I'll first say that if Scott is out, that really does hurt us ... and that is an ACTUAL reason to temper your expectations. However, an astonishing number of people here were adopting a sky is falling attitude here way before that. So, here I go ... and guess what?? You don't need a cherrypicked computer ranking or some other form of overthinking to accept these!

1. It was always going to be tough, and anyone should have known that! Indiana is a top 10 team, and it's a road game under the lights ... why would any of us EXPECT a win?? All you can do in these types of games is expect your squad to show up ready to play. On that point...
2. The VAST majority of time under Bielema, we have showed up - we are a very well-prepared team, overall. Sure, you have your outliers like the Oregon beatdown, but the fact is this team went into incredibly hostile night game atmospheres vs. ranked opponents at Nebraska and PSU last year, and we held our own in both (picking up the W in Lincoln). I don't really see a reason to believe we will all of a sudden lay down and take a beating vs. #19 Indiana.
3. Are we as good as Old Dominion? I'll go ahead and make the apparently bold proclamation that the #9-ranked and reigning Citrus Bowl champion Fighting Illini are in fact undeniably better than ODU, even with Scott out. If ODU can hang with the mighty Indiana, I think we can, too - even in a primetime atmosphere. Will our hanging around be enough to get a W? I don't know ... but Bielema's teams make a habit out of keeping themselves in tough games vs. opponents they "shouldn't beat," and that puts you in the position to sometimes pull out the W (e.g., 2021 at #9 PSU, 2021 at #20 Minnesota, 2023 at Maryland, 2024 vs. #19 KU, 2024 at #24 Nebraska, 2024 vs. #12 South Carolina, etc.).
4. Why are we all of a sudden acting like our coaching staff is completely outmatched? Lol, Bret and Cignetti both came to struggling programs and turned them around - admittedly in very different ways and on different timelines. Sure, Cig's approach was lightning quick and took the nation by storm ... but was it more sustainable? Let's also not discount that Bret has an absolutely unambiguously more impressive head coaching career overall, dating back to Wisconsin. He knows what he's doing every bit as much as Cig and Co. do.

This has been nothing short of an epic snowball, haha. We went from demolishing Duke on the road and having a "Bring on Indiana!" attitude, and the following happened...

1. Duke lost on the road by one TD (though it admittedly was more like a 10-point game) to a Tulane team that is 3-0 and looks pretty good from where I am sitting ... guess we'll see what they're made of this week when they play at #13 Ole Miss!
2. The Illini/Indiana game was announced as NBC's primetime game, making it more likely that it will be a rowdy atmosphere.
3. Indiana beat an FCS school 73-0 at home.
4. Illinois got off to a slow start vs. Western Michigan ... that turned into a 38-0 win, lol.
5. Our board welcomed some Hoosier visitors who, to put it mildly, espoused an enormous amount of confidence in both their coaching staff and personnel.
6. The Scott injury was announced.
7. The line for the game (which always favored the ranked home team, who would have thought??) moved accordingly.

Really only #6 should have any bearing about how we feel, lol. This is a tough road game vs. a ranked conference rival ... why wouldn't we expect a daunting task? We've stepped up to those challenges and won before, and we can again. We also might lose ... but the emotional distress and UTTER lack of confidence in this staff's and team's ability to even put themselves in a position to win is astonishing, at least to this fan.
EDIT: Typo in #1 of the first section ... meant Indiana is a top 20 team and got fat fingers!
 
#710      
September 20, 2024, #24 Illinois @ #22 Nebraska. It was week 4, Illinois was on the road, and it was a night game. The line at kickoff was Nebraska -7.5.

If you like the odds, take the odds and make your money.
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#711      
3. If ODU can hang with the mighty Indiana, I think we can, too
4. Why are we all of a sudden acting like our coaching staff is completely outmatched?

ODU was down 27-7 in the 4th q. How is that “hanging around”?

As for #4, I think it’s primarily due to how the teams were last season. Vs common opponents Indiana was 46-11, Illinois 35-25.

You mentioned Bielema winning at Nebraska last year in OT as evidence of getting his team ready to play. Indiana beat that same team 56-7 at home.
 
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#712      
I just don't believe we'll win this game not scoring in at least the 30s. The run game is the biggest X factor, especially early. Have to set the tone.
You got me curious to look at games where we have scored at least 30 vs. power conference teams...

2024 - W 50-49 vs. Purdue (OT)
2023 - W 48-45 vs. Indiana (OT)
2021 - W 47-14 vs. Northwestern
2025 - W45-19 at Duke

2023 - L 43-45 vs. Northwestern
2022 - W 41-3 at Northwestern
2024 - W 38-16 vs. Michigan State
2024 - W 38-31 at Rutgers
2024 - W 38-28 vs. Northwestern at Wrigley
2022 - W 34-10 at Wisconsin
2024 - W 31-24 at #22 Nebraska (OT)
2021 - W 30-22 vs. Nebraska


So we are 11-1 in such games, with the only loss being the 2-point loss on Senior Day in 2023 to Northwestern ... and that was one of the flukiest games I have ever seen in one of the weirder seasons I can remember in recent times. I think if we are scoring 30+ at Indiana, we are winning.
 
#713      
You got me curious to look at games where we have scored at least 30 vs. power conference teams...

2024 - W 50-49 vs. Purdue (OT)
2023 - W 48-45 vs. Indiana (OT)
2021 - W 47-14 vs. Northwestern
2025 - W45-19 at Duke

2023 - L 43-45 vs. Northwestern
2022 - W 41-3 at Northwestern
2024 - W 38-16 vs. Michigan State
2024 - W 38-31 at Rutgers
2024 - W 38-28 vs. Northwestern at Wrigley
2022 - W 34-10 at Wisconsin
2024 - W 31-24 at #22 Nebraska (OT)
2021 - W 30-22 vs. Nebraska


So we are 11-1 in such games, with the only loss being the 2-point loss on Senior Day in 2023 to Northwestern ... and that was one of the flukiest games I have ever seen in one of the weirder seasons I can remember in recent times. I think if we are scoring 30+ at Indiana, we are winning.
What about that Lunney and Franklin UTSA game?
 
#714      
Man, some of you guys... why so much doom and gloom? Yes, Indiana is a good team. Guess what? So are we. Try to relax and enjoy the ride. It should be a great game and a great atmosphere. We've come a long way from the days of just hoping we can beat a meh Northwestern team the last game of the year to hopefully sneak into a bowl game with 6 wins. We've waited a long, long time to be able to play in games like this. Soak it up... ILL !
 
#715      
Please dude, we get it. Indinia has multiple Heisman winners on this years team and is going to win the NC game by enough points to convince the rest of college football to eliminate their football programs out of fear of facing Cignetti in the future.
 
#717      
Man, some of you guys... why so much doom and gloom? Yes, Indiana is a good team. Guess what? So are we. Try to relax and enjoy the ride. It should be a great game and a great atmosphere. We've come a long way from the days of just hoping we can beat a meh Northwestern team the last game of the year to hopefully sneak into a bowl game with 6 wins. We've waited a long, long time to be able to play in games like this. Soak it up... ILL !

They should be called Indybama with the way people have talked about them. They’re a good team and it’ll be hard to win on the road. If anyone can find a way to win it’s Brett and his staff
 
#718      
Someone please talk me off the ledge! The line moved from 4.5 to 6.5. It makes no sense why Illinois should be a 6.5-point underdog. If I had no emotional attachment to this game, I would bet on Indiana assuming the sharp bettors and odds makers know more than me.

Feels like the at Kansas game from 2 years ago where you are on the road vs a team with an explosive offense.

Plus a much more enthusiastic crowd.

Bielema seems to play better vs good teams that play his same conventional offense style. Playing Michigan/Penn State/Nebraska close always made sense to me. They are all grind it out time of possession teams. Getting blown out by Oregon made sense too. It’s the teams that are more spread/diverse that is the issue and Indiana is one of those teams.

Brett can no doubt be in the game vs other more talented teams that play his same style and fortunately most of the Big 10 is like that. Unfortunately Indiana isn’t.
 
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#719      
Need the dline to generate pressure. Very cliche but we need to win this game in the trenches. Oline needs to come out and punch them in the mouth
We should try a few of the "non vanilla" plays I hear we have not yet used this year. There must be 7/8ths of a playbook of them, just waiting to be unleashed on the unsuspecting Hoosiers.
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#720      
You got me curious to look at games where we have scored at least 30 vs. power conference teams...

2024 - W 50-49 vs. Purdue (OT)
2023 - W 48-45 vs. Indiana (OT)
2021 - W 47-14 vs. Northwestern
2025 - W45-19 at Duke

2023 - L 43-45 vs. Northwestern
2022 - W 41-3 at Northwestern
2024 - W 38-16 vs. Michigan State
2024 - W 38-31 at Rutgers
2024 - W 38-28 vs. Northwestern at Wrigley
2022 - W 34-10 at Wisconsin
2024 - W 31-24 at #22 Nebraska (OT)
2021 - W 30-22 vs. Nebraska


So we are 11-1 in such games, with the only loss being the 2-point loss on Senior Day in 2023 to Northwestern ... and that was one of the flukiest games I have ever seen in one of the weirder seasons I can remember in recent times. I think if we are scoring 30+ at Indiana, we are winning.
18-2 under Bielema when scoring 30+ points (UTSA and NW).
 
#721      
ODU was down 27-7 in the 4th q. How is that “hanging around”?

As for #4, I think it’s primarily due to how the teams were last season. Vs common opponents Indiana was 46-11, Illinois 35-25.

You mentioned Bielema winning at Nebraska last year in OT as evidence of getting his team ready to play. Indiana beat that same team 56-7 at home.
Illinois went into a hostile environment for the Big Ten opener of the supposed second-coming of Mahomes, so the Nebraska faithful were raucous. Indiana got them in front of a friendly crowd of their own screaming fans. Not exactly an even comparison in terms of environments.

You also have to compare styles of play. We know Indiana likes to run up the score, whereas Illinois wants to get a lead and then maintain possession and run down the clock. You're not going to get crazy unbalanced scores with that method. Thankfully, you only need one point more than your opponent to win, and it's wins that matter.

Finally, you played Nebraska a month after us. Injuries pile up in football. Raiola was playing on a funky ankle after our game. I'd be interested to see the full injury report and who else was out for them. That, along with having four games of real tape (they wouldn't be playing pure vanilla football against conference opponents) gives Indiana an extra edge for prep.

Don't get me wrong, it's impressive to run up the score, but let's not pretend it's purely the talent of the JMU players Cig brought with him or coaching that did that. There were certainly other factors at play.
 
#722      
Has anyone been slightly underwhelmed by Faegin? I've been more impressed by Calil and Aidan.

I think a 4 point victory tomorrow.
No to the first part of your question
 
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