Gotta see if I can bet on Minnesota to score more in the first half than the second half. This would be a pretty sound bet regardless of Newton, but it seems like free money with the circumstances around him.
Pregame: Illinois at Minnesota, Saturday, November 4th, 2:30pm CT, BTN
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Sorry, actually, I am wrong.
It was three calls.
I forgot the call in the Indiana game where our receiver caught the ball, not once, but twice, on the same play, for a touchdown.
I don't agree with naming every close loss with a controversial call a win. That's the way close games go and sometimes you're on the wrong side of the call.
The Indiana call was major BS, but unless that happens on the last drive I have little sympathy. There was plenty of time to recover
I think this has more to do with dont jump ship on Coach B yet and the state of the program compared to the years previous.
But bad calls or turnovers etc. 100% can swing the outcome of a game. Thats why the word momentum exists in the sports world. Its a thing.
It is somewhat heartening, and extremely frustrating that it has to be the case, that coach shares many of the fans' disdain (disappointment is not strong enough) for the poor game management by the officials and the league's and NCAA's lack of support for Newton's appeal. These things cannot be minimized. And it is incumbent upon Josh and his staff to continue to advocate for our program, especially to the B10 office. This has been a major problem for our programs going back at least several decades, and in my opinion ultimately limits them unfairly. Just my .02.
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Still got a good feeling about the positive strides we've taken over these last two games. (Hoping we can grab a 1st half lead and then leverage Newton's 2nd falf return to fully shut down the Minny offense.)
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We leave Minneapolis at 4-5, and head back to Champaign where we await the Hoosiers with a shot at finally reaching .500!
23 - ILLINI
16 - gophers
We leave Minneapolis at 4-5, and head back to Champaign where we await the Hoosiers with a shot at finally reaching .500!
The refs blew that last TD by Wisc. Are the refs supposed to know the players number? Rico #change should have been told to the refs to announce. I guess we have received our apology letter from the BT office.
This is an interesting point I haven't seen talked about.
When the commentators reviewing the TD casually stated he was eligible because he was uncovered on the end line I also thought the rule stated it it was a lineman it has to be reported and announced before the play....
Obviously doesn't matter at this point but can someone clarify if that is still a rule?
how does that happen? isn't it a penalty? isn't it reviewable? a blatant missed call that could cost a win seems absolutely what reviewable is for.
sure seems that the team playing us never gets the letter of apology.
Tough call. I respect your opinion. I do believe you are right to a certain extent. If Keith is in the game and we win, this would still be tough to swallow. I think the penalty is too much all the way around. I can see where maybe they should be out for the rest of the game but the following game is to much unless it is really flagrant. That's just my opinion and that's all over college football. I think the real issue here is depth. What if the law firm had left this year? What would our defensive line look like?
We absolutely beat Indiana except for this call.
WE ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY BEAT MICHIGAN EXCEPT FOR THE (NON) CALL. It was 4th down.
We most likely beat Purdue.
My real point is two fold...
1) Big Ten officiating is just absolutely terrible. Completely unacceptable.
2) And, Illinois has had to bear the brunt of this incompetence way too often for it to be a coincidence.
In a 50/50 game between evenly matched teams, bad calls can absolutely sway the outcome and often does. Changes who has momentum, who has situational advantages.
And as much as I hate Iowa, they totally got hosed by the ridiculous "Illegal Fair Catch" called against them when they returned a punt for a touchdown. Cost them a win against Minnesota.
Illini2010-11
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The problem is DeJean made the "get away from the ball" signal with his left arm pretty clearly. That is 100% an illegal fair catch signal, which results in a dead ball at the spot of recovery. You may not agree with the rule itself (designed to keep return man from tricking kicking team), but it was absolutely the correct call to overturn the touchdown. Let's not also forget that Iowa still had the ball with a timeout and over a minute on the clock needing a field goal to win (they started the final possession near midfield needing only 20 yards or so for a good shot at fg). Iowa did not lose because of that call...it is because they only scored 10 points. Iowa got "hosed" by Ferentz's offense, plain and simple.
NCAA, Big Ten officials explain why Iowa go-ahead TD was called back in loss to Minnesota
A 54-yard return from Cooper DeJean was wiped from the board in the game's final two minutes
www.cbssports.com
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I feel like DeJean has used that tactic in the past to fool coverage teams into hesitating, which has helped make him such a dangerous returner. Just a thought.The problem is DeJean made the "get away from the ball" signal with his left arm pretty clearly. That is 100% an illegal fair catch signal, which results in a dead ball at the spot of recovery. You may not agree with the rule itself (designed to keep return man from tricking kicking team), but it was absolutely the correct call to overturn the touchdown. Let's not also forget that Iowa still had the ball with a timeout and over a minute on the clock needing a field goal to win (they started the final possession near midfield needing only 20 yards or so for a good shot at fg). Iowa did not lose because of that call...it is because they only scored 10 points. Iowa got "hosed" by Ferentz's offense, plain and simple.
NCAA, Big Ten officials explain why Iowa go-ahead TD was called back in loss to Minnesota
A 54-yard return from Cooper DeJean was wiped from the board in the game's final two minutes
Seems like they just made their call based on the rule as written, correct? If they hadn’t, Minnie would have had a very valid complaint. In the end, the rules ruled the day, as it should be. You can be certain every player got a fresher course in fair catch signals after that.
We'll find out in about ten months.
To request a fair catch, the receiver must raise one arm fully above their head and wave it from side to side while the ball is in flight. Once the signal is given, the kicking team may not interfere with the receiver's attempt to catch the ball.The problem is DeJean made the "get away from the ball" signal with his left arm pretty clearly. That is 100% an illegal fair catch signal, which results in a dead ball at the spot of recovery. You may not agree with the rule itself (designed to keep return man from tricking kicking team), but it was absolutely the correct call to overturn the touchdown. Let's not also forget that Iowa still had the ball with a timeout and over a minute on the clock needing a field goal to win (they started the final possession near midfield needing only 20 yards or so for a good shot at fg). Iowa did not lose because of that call...it is because they only scored 10 points. Iowa got "hosed" by Ferentz's offense, plain and simple.
NCAA, Big Ten officials explain why Iowa go-ahead TD was called back in loss to Minnesota
A 54-yard return from Cooper DeJean was wiped from the board in the game's final two minutes
This is not what happened.
Illini2010-11
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What happened here is not a request for a fair catch, but rather an instance of "invalid fair catch", which is what happened.
SECTION 8. Fair Catch :: NCAA Football Rules Online
rulebook.github.io
Article 3 clearly discusses what constitutes an invalid fair catch signal -- "any waving signal by team B that does not meet requirement of a valid fair catch signal". DeJean's left arm was clearly waving below the shoulder in the overhead view. This is an invalid fair catch signal.
The result is the same as a valid fair catch as stated in Article 1c:
"A valid or invalid fair catch signal deprives the receiving team of the opportunity to advance the ball. The ball is declared dead at the spot of the catch or recovery or at the spot of the signal if the catch precedes the signal."
By the rules, the play is constituted dead upon recovery. The right call was made by the officials.
Thanks for the link. Here’s the key part:What happened here is not a request for a fair catch, but rather an instance of "invalid fair catch", which is what happened.
SECTION 8. Fair Catch :: NCAA Football Rules Online
Article 3 clearly discusses what constitutes an invalid fair catch signal -- "any waving signal by team B that does not meet requirement of a valid fair catch signal". DeJean's left arm was clearly waving below the shoulder in the overhead view. This is an invalid fair catch signal.
The result is the same as a valid fair catch as stated in Article 1c:
"A valid or invalid fair catch signal deprives the receiving team of the opportunity to advance the ball. The ball is declared dead at the spot of the catch or recovery or at the spot of the signal if the catch precedes the signal."
By the rules, the play is constituted dead upon recovery. The right call was made by the officials.
“A valid signal is a signal given by a player of Team B who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.”
Was his signal valid? Most agree it was not. If not, the call was correct.
A ambiguous/invalid signal that is interpreted as a fair catch by the defending team (causing them to hesitate even briefly) should be called dead per the rules. The signal should be very clear. Otherwise it’s unfair to penalize a defender for hitting the receiver. I’m sure there’s been a lot of coaching on this rule since the IA-MN game.
You are 100% correct and this seems to be a little known rule, but it's a rule so the returner can't "fool" the kicking team. Which in this case is exactly what he did - he waved everyone away from the ball, the Minny players were standing around the ball as it bounced then he grabbed it and took off running to take advantage of the element of surprise. It was the text book definition of why the illegal fair catch rule exists.What happened here is not a request for a fair catch, but rather an instance of "invalid fair catch", which is what happened.
SECTION 8. Fair Catch :: NCAA Football Rules Online
Article 3 clearly discusses what constitutes an invalid fair catch signal -- "any waving signal by team B that does not meet requirement of a valid fair catch signal". DeJean's left arm was clearly waving below the shoulder in the overhead view. This is an invalid fair catch signal.
The result is the same as a valid fair catch as stated in Article 1c:
"A valid or invalid fair catch signal deprives the receiving team of the opportunity to advance the ball. The ball is declared dead at the spot of the catch or recovery or at the spot of the signal if the catch precedes the signal."
By the rules, the play is constituted dead upon recovery. The right call was made by the officials.
For DeJean to say he was trying to keep his balance by waving his left arm side to side is disingenuous to say the least.
I agree with you. Pre Coach B we sucked and we stayed that way for 14-15 years. At least we compete now. I think everyone would love to see more consistency. I believe that will come. On a personal note. I was against canning Zook. I thought he did some good things while he was here. He just wasn't that great of an in game coach.
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