Pregame: Illinois vs Purdue, Saturday, October 13th, 2:30pm CT, FS1

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#126      
TheGMan
I really don't get the hate for BD mil. I don't follow Purdue enough to say whether he is overly optimistic about them, but who cares if he is? This board is kind of known for saying Illinois fans aren't really fans because they aren't optimistic enough.

Thank you for your insight into Purdue, BD.
 
#127      
ktal
BD mil said:
...no one thinks lovie, even improved is anywhere near Brohm as a coach
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I DO. In fact I think Lovie is 3X the coach Brohm will ever be. Here's why:
-Lovie was a successful NFL coach. Even great college coaches fail in the NFL, (e.g. Saban, Spurrier), which suggest one is JV and the other is Varsity.
-Lovie took Rex Freaking Grossman to the Super Bowl. Know how many Super Bowl QB's have a lower completion percentage than Rex? ZERO. When the coach can drag a liability offense like that to the biggest game in the sport, he's a great freakin' coach. (Can you imagine what Lovie could have done with Brees?!!!)
-Lovie hasn't proven he's a great college coach yet. But he's gonna. His most experienced recruit has played 17 games for him. They're sophomores, (thus the argument that he's a second-year-coach), with the bodies and experience of sophomores. You do know you're playing mostly sophomores and freshmen in this weeks game, right? So yes, we're kinda optimistic about our future, too.

Lovie is implementing systems and continuity at Illinois. The result will be identity, consistency, and the occasional great season. That is basically Illini fan Nirvana

If Brohm, who I think highly of, has a fraction of the success as a college coach that is needed for him to be spoken in the same breath as Lovie, it won't happen at Purdue. There are no fewer than thirty schools who could take him away.

For both fan bases, I hope this week's game is very competitive from start to finish. Honestly, I hope your guys play great and stay healthy. And lose.
 
#130      
BD mil
ktal said:
I DO. In fact I think Lovie is 3X the coach Brohm will ever be. Here's why:
-Lovie was a successful NFL coach. Even great college coaches fail in the NFL, (e.g. Saban, Spurrier), which suggest one is JV and the other is Varsity.
-Lovie took Rex Freaking Grossman to the Super Bowl. Know how many Super Bowl QB's have a lower completion percentage than Rex? ZERO. When the coach can drag a liability offense like that to the biggest game in the sport, he's a great freakin' coach. (Can you imagine what Lovie could have done with Brees?!!!)
-Lovie hasn't proven he's a great college coach yet. But he's gonna. His most experienced recruit has played 17 games for him. They're sophomores, (thus the argument that he's a second-year-coach), with the bodies and experience of sophomores. You do know you're playing mostly sophomores and freshmen in this weeks game, right? So yes, we're kinda optimistic about our future, too.

Lovie is implementing systems and continuity at Illinois. The result will be identity, consistency, and the occasional great season. That is basically Illini fan Nirvana

If Brohm, who I think highly of, has a fraction of the success as a college coach that is needed for him to be spoken in the same breath as Lovie, it won't happen at Purdue. There are no fewer than thirty schools who could take him away.

For both fan bases, I hope this week's game is very competitive from start to finish. Honestly, I hope your guys play great and stay healthy. And lose.
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You may. That would be like me thinking Curtis Painter had more impact than juice williams. It’s great for me to feel that way but it’s not what unbiased outsiders would think.

You’re actually the first fan of another team to not take the whole “well, he’s too good for you,” line of reasoning. But hey, I’m sure if we take a time machine to the NFL of a decade ago when the cover two still hadn’t been busted, and each coach was coaching an NFL team you might be onto something.
 
#131      
BD mil
Neale Stoner Fan Club said:
That was 2001. And beating York HS grad (from IL) Tim Stratton was awesome.
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No.. I’m saying I don’t know why some here think I think this is the team that got crushed in 2000 in Ross ade. I don’t. If you told me we’d lose on Saturday and beat MSU I wouldn’t be shocked at all.

Our team is going to walk backwards into a bowl somehow.
 
#132      
NScale
ktal said:
>> Even great college coaches fail in the NFL, (e.g. Saban, Spurrier), which suggest one is JV and the other is Varsity.
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And the other way around. But I beg to differ on the supposed superiority of the NFL. In college, coaches turn boys into men. They teach them about life. In the NFL, after the coach yells at the players all day, they turn off the lights and get in their cars and go home. Further, what offenses are NFL teams running? College offenses. And by the way, I doubt Lovie personally guided Rex Grossman into the Super Bowl. He's defense, and he had a QB coach and an offensive coordinator to do that.
 
#133      
wILL-INI
this thread so far...
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#136      
PtownIllini8
BD mil said:
Just better than you in my time as a Purdue fan. It just seems odd to say “Purdue has never been great” when I’d have to look, but I’m pretty sure Darrell Hazell got all three of his wins against you lol.

Great is relative. Take Illinois, Minnesota, Purdue and Indiana. To me, coming from where ALL OF us are coming from in the last couple decades... 8-4 and a Bowl is a great year until you’ve done That for a while. You look at what Brohm has done with very little talent last year and the talent he’s got redshirting and has coming in next year, and it can be that kind of season, maybe better.

Great relative to Ohio State? None of the four programs are close to dreaming of that yet.
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10 years ago or so we went into Columbus and beat OSU, after beating Wisconsin and PSU in Champaign. But for an illegal formation penalty at Iowa, we win the B1G. As it was we went 10-3 and got to the Rose Bowl.
 
#137      
Joel Goodson
Not PU related. Was any timetable for Carter's return discussed?
 
#139      
PtownIllini8
BD mil said:
Well yeah, it’s not a national championship program. Relative to our standing (and Illinois whom Purdue is 12-5 against since tiller was hired/I began as a Purdue student), those are really good years. Seems kind of odd to have this arrogance against a program that is considered better (10 point favorites at your place), has a better outlook (no one thinks lovie, even improved is anywhere near Brohm as a coach - AND at 2-3 other programs in the big ten can save the delusions that LSU wants to swoop in and steal Brohm - AND Louisville is already on the hook for 46 million in buyouts to their AD and pitino and would owe Bobby P. 14 million in a buyout if fired now, so that ain’t happening either), and has dominated you in the last 20 years (to be fair, down 1 win overall - too bad red grange won’t be out there).

I showed a healthy fear of what your team can do, but you can save this “well mean we ARE Illinois after all, and you’re just purdue, so we have to be better, right??”

You will only win if our guys come out looking forward to osu, show no progress against the zone read and blough gets blindsided staying in the pocket AND leaves the pocket to early all day. If those things happen 34-27 Illini.
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We've been to 2 BCS bowls this century.
 
#140      
SuperintendentChalmers
Second and Chalmers said:
That was probably Rutgers' best team of all time.
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Definitely, and of course they weren't in the Big Ten yet. It was just a random home-and-home. Classic Illini luck, visiting a school in their greatest football season dating back to the first freaking game in 1869!

They might have been angry about the big comeback we pulled off against them the year before in Champaign.
 
#142      
ktal
NScale said:
And the other way around. But I beg to differ on the supposed superiority of the NFL. In college, coaches turn boys into men. They teach them about life. In the NFL, after the coach yells at the players all day, they turn off the lights and get in their cars and go home.
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I totally agree that success in one does not guarantee success in the other. Let's be honest, being BMOC comes with benefits that NFL life can't match. That is important because NFL coaches need to use different levers to guide player choices. There's no way an NFL coach is going to bench their star players for punishment, because one more loss might cost them their job. In college though, Lovie does it. So did Spurrier. So do most successful coaches. (Bowden being an obvious exception.)

To lead an NFL locker room you have to command the respect of men who know their career may end that day, or they might just be traded to another team and be told their plane leaves in five hours. The tools available to discipline players in college are plentiful, and almost completely at the discretion of the coach. In the NFL, punishment is negotiated with the players union, in advance. Getting the most out of your players in the pros isn't going to happen simply by yelling. The coach needs the respect of his locker room to the point that they don't want to let him, personally, down. That kind of leadership translates well to college.

The only thing harder about college ball is recruiting. Because unlike the pros, they pick you rather than you picking them. I think the respect Lovie commands in the locker room and sideline, translates well to the recruit's living room. It is because he understands leadership that I believe he will be successful.

As to college coaches turning boys into men, yes, they should be doing that. But as Maryland demonstrates, just being a monumental D-bag is evidently enough to get hired as HC or S&C coach in the P5.

Honestly, I don't think I've even seen Lovie scream at someone. That's indicative of a man who commands respect.

wILL-INI said:
this thread so far...
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Priceless!

Joel Goodson said:
Not PU related. Was any timetable for Carter's return discussed?
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Next year. Or did I just assume that by use of the word "serious"?
 
#146      
IllinoisFanAtFSU

I have referenced this video for roughly three years now, when I really want a fun, recent Illinois football moment to look back on. Homecoming. Galloping ghost uniforms. A sneakily talented team with guys who have roster spots all across the NFL now. An upset to keep bowl hopes alive.

I think that this Saturday, Illinois will give us another one of these games. We will look back on this team as a turning point in the program - and this time, instead of having to wait three years for another fun game to dig up on YouTube, there will be consistency. :illinois:

Go Illini.
 
#148      
breadman
VAIllini35 said:
Interesting article - kind of gets to the point of Robert's article a while back on different approaches - Win Now, vs Build a Program for long term sustainability. Kind of makes you think Brohm is looking to make a quick impact and then move on?

https://purdue.rivals.com/news/brohm-s-win-now-mode-crosses-lovie-smith-s-illini-long-term-plan
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That is a good article, but then there is this accompanying article that shows a man on a mission for this game that the O&B better pay attention to:

https://purdue.rivals.com/news/last...ms-large-for-blough-as-he-prepares-for-illini
 
#149      
sully
hoping we can continue to run it well .
Purdue is gonna be tough .
 
#150      
Fighter of the Nightman
In trying to gauge a crowd estimate for Saturday - something I think could make the difference, honestly - I looked back at our post-Zook homecoming matchups:

2018: vs. Purdue at 2:30 pm ... 3-2 (1-1) going in
2017: L 24-10 vs. #5 Wisconsin ... 42,101 at 11:00 am ... 2-5 (0-4) going in
2016: L 40-17 vs. Minnesota ... 40,090 at 11:00 am ... 2-5 (1-3) going in
--- Lovie hired ---
2015: L 24-13 vs. Wisconsin ... 45,438 at 2:30 pm ... 4-2 (1-1) going in
--- Beckman fired, Cubit hired as interim head coach ---
2014: W 28-24 vs. Minnesota ... 44,437 at 11:00 am ... 3-4 (0-3) going in
2013: L 42-3 vs. Michigan State ... 45,895 at 2:30 pm ... 3-3 (0-2) going in
2012: L 31-17 vs. Indiana ... 47,981 at 11:00 am ... 2-5 (0-3) going in

FWIW, these were the dates of each matchup:
2018: October 13th
2017: October 28th
2016: October 29th
2015: October 24th
2014: October 25th
2013: October 26th
2012: October 27th

This is our earliest homecoming in years, and Saturday is supposed to be a near-football-cliche 56 and sunny. We also have only come into homecoming with a winning record ONE time in this timespan (2015, when we drew 45,438) and have only played at 2:30 pm twice (both times drawing over 45,000). Given a tiny bump in optimism after the Rutgers win, an early date/good weather and the perceived chance of victory vs. Purdue, I really hope we can get a crowd pushing 50,000 (let's be real, if it's anywhere close to breaking 50,000, it more or less looks full on TV, and that's what matters, LOL). Actually would have made it to Champaign for this game if I didn't have to go to some dumb BBQ for my girlfriend's cousin's wedding. Ugh.

GO ILLINI!
 
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