Purdue 77, Illinois 71 Postgame

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True, but from Purdue's perspective, hitting 8 out of 10 in the second half from 3 covers up a huge percentage of those 1,000.
Don't disagree at all -- which was why it was a killer not to come up with the defensive boards that led to those 3s. I know there were some unlucky bounces, but I'll always take my chances with Ty finding those balls for us
 
#478      
Don't disagree at all -- which was why it was a killer not to come up with the defensive boards that led to those 3s. I know there were some unlucky bounces, but I'll always take my chances with Ty finding those balls for us
That's very true on the rebounding. I am so torn on Ty at the end of the games. If he could make Da'Monte progress from three, I would be happy. If they leave him wide open, he hits it. He has decent form on his free throws now; hopefully, this is the next step.
 
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Just as a change of pace, I’d like to see DGL in a few possessions to see if he can slow quicker guards. Coach says you are in the game for defense….understand! Please! Damn do we miss SH in that role.
I was thinking the same...Sencire has the best opportunity to be Smith's kryptonite.
Also, why are we not talking about the phantom foul that was called on us at half court when in reality, Smith bounced the ball off his foot? I think we were down 3 at the time... would have been a turnover and chance to cut it to 1 or tie, instead it's 2 made free throws and a 5 point deficit.
 
#481      
Edey is the least talented face of college basketball in the entire history of the sport.

Given his offensive skill and the fact he is a highly competent interior defender, I would say after Russell , Jabbar Chamberlain, Hayes Ewing and Sampson, one could make a pretty good case for Edey being in the top 20 best big men in college basketball.
 
#482      
Just don't see him as the best player in all of mens college basketball, tallest, biggest yes most talented? No way! Let's just see where he goes in the draft, top 5? Top 10 ? Top 20?
 
#483      
I was thinking the same...Sencire has the best opportunity to be Smith's kryptonite.
Also, why are we not talking about the phantom foul that was called on us at half court when in reality, Smith bounced the ball off his foot? I think we were down 3 at the time... would have been a turnover and chance to cut it to 1 or tie, instead it's 2 made free throws and a 5 point deficit.
The foul was on Harmon for holding Loyer down by the free throw line:
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#484      
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Oscar is 6'8... what if he were 7'4?

EDIT: That's like almost a foot taller. Oscar is/was most certainly more talented than Edey. A 7'4 Oscar T would've put up Wilt Chamberlain numbers.
20,000?
 
#490      
Us getting to the sweet 16 will likely require us beating a top 20 team which haven’t shown we can do. My bracket(s) will not have us in the sweet 16.
Not even going to wait and see who it is? Lunardi has Clemson as a 5 seed… Clemson.

Of course he’ll probably be right about us drawing BYU in Salt Lake City, who cares bring it on!
 
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Obviously that doesn't measure skill, but it's not just size.

I stopped reading that when Connor Vanover was used as comparison. Good lord, I'd hope he is better than him. That said, this article is 100% spot on and I agree with everything in there, pretty much (just didn't need to read the rest of it to know I agreed with the guy's premise after the Vanover reference).

Edey is more talented than most other 7'4 guys, absolutely. That's hard to disagree with and I don't. But, that wasn't where I started out. I said he's the least talented NPOY ever. None of those guys they're comparing him to ever got close to sniffing a NPOY award.
 
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JFGsCoffeeMug

BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
Edey is more talented than most other 7'4 guys, absolutely. That's hard to disagree with and I don't. But, that wasn't where I started out. I said he's the least talented NPOY ever. None of those guys they're comparing him to ever got close to sniffing a NPOY award.
You're entitled to your own opinion, obviously. But if you had just kept reading, you would have encountered this paragraph:
How good is Edey when we compare him not just to other giants, but to all college basketball players? The answer: Arguably the best we’ve seen in a long time. In my database going back to 2011, Zach Edey in 2023-24 has the highest overall Bayesian Performance Rating of any player. On a per-possession basis, he’s estimated to have a bigger impact on both ends of the floor than any player we’ve seen in college basketball in over a decade. Reasonable people can debate if he’s the best college player in that span, but the point is that he not only stacks up well against other tall centers, he bosses everyone.
Seems worth considering.
 
#495      
You're entitled to your own opinion, obviously. But if you had just kept reading, you would have encountered this paragraph:

Seems worth considering.

He's probably the most dominant player in the last 15 years, is what that says. I agree with that 100%.

How does his extremely great Bayesian rating disprove that being 7-4 300lbs is helpful to him as a basketball player?

I still think he's the least overall talented NPOY ever.

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#496      
Before the game started last night I was watching a preview of the Spurs featuring Victor Wembanyama. THAT guy is a talented and athletic big. Even Chet Holmgren is a far better athlete than Edey. Is Edey a good basketball player? Yes, but only hecause he is 7'4" and 300#. If he was 6'4" we would all sat not only no, but hell no. He's slow, can't jump, and has no range beyond 6' or so. As they say however, you can't coach height.
Of course those guys are more athletic than Edey and better NBA prospects. But otherwise this is an absolutely preposterous take. Zach Edey is the best player the Big10 conference has seen in a long, long time. Anybody saying it’s just because he’s big and tall is dead wrong. There have been plenty of good 7 footers in college basketball over the past number of years who don’t sniff the production Edey gets. You will never see another player in our lifetime who makes 30 & 10 look ho-hum. As much as we may dislike Purdue & Edey, that kid is 1 of 1.
 
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He's probably the most dominant player in the last 15 years, is what that says. I agree with that 100%.

How does his extremely great Bayesian rating disprove that being 7-4 300lbs is helpful to him as a basketball player?

I still think he's the least overall talented NPOY ever.

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There’s an argument to be made that Zach Edey is a more talented player than Oscar Tshiebwe was 🤷🏻‍♂️ Oscar was a better athlete & gets the edge as a rebounder but not by a wide margin... Zach is a better passer out of the post & better free throw shooter and probably has better footwork than OT.
 
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There’s an argument to be made that Zach Edey is a more talented player than Oscar Tshiebwe was 🤷🏻‍♂️ Oscar was a better athlete & gets the edge as a rebounder but not by a wide margin... Zach is a better passer out of the post & better free throw shooter and probably has better footwork than OT.

Career Assists:
Edey 1.3
OT 1.1

Career FT%
Edey .707
OT .705

Not markedly better in either area and there's no way has better footwork than OT as that was one of the things he was known for: his balance, body control, movement for his size (bulk).

Edey doesn't show much footwork other than turn around and chuck it at the rim. Show me some impressive post moves on YouTube of Edey. Something that makes me go "wow" he's not just a huge guy that walls off with one arm while shooting a hook shot with the other.

Edeys footwork has improved and is good for his size. But that's the operative part: for his size. Main thing is he has great touch on his shots. They all seems to go in or just rim out slightly.

Hes gigantic so it's unstoppable.

Change my mind 😁
 
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uofi7477

Silver & Gold Vandals
I really think too many people are salty about Edey being tall to appreciate him as a player. Very rarely do you see him make mistakes, bad plays, or be out of position. Not only is he big but he puts himself in position to use his size to its full advantage. Also that turnaround hook shot is really effective and that's a shot that takes skill. There are other guys that have played college ball at his size and weren't able to do the things that he does.
See Miznoz and 7'5" Vanover.