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So one fast break play, in a preseason game in Europe, you were able to come to that conclusion? Not sure about Ty either at this point, but a pretty slender sample size at this point IMO.
The original poster referenced Ty on the break, so full court pressure doesn’t come into play. Regardless though, if the limitations people fear regarding Ty at PG come to fruition — and not saying they will as I don’t think this trip against this competition tells us much if anything about him or anyone else — a team won’t have to run full court pressure a lot let alone the whole game to take advantage of those limitations.
I’m very much in wait-and-see mode with this team. There are a lot of good pieces and potential, but certainly some areas of concern. Two reasons for optimism as far as I’m concerned are I think they will be more disciplined (I.e. actually run the plays/sets) and play with more effort and intensity this year. That should make them more enjoyable to watch. We’ll just need to see whether that leads to more team success.
I don't think you can truly evaluate our squad our team effectively from this trip. I heard LaTulip say our bigs would dominate them like teams do on these trips and they did plus we are much more athletic. I would hold off on saying we have a top 16 team until our team is challenged with similar size and athleticism. Especially at the PG position. Our squad will have more competition from each other than they did in these scrimmages and certainly early in the season. Still it was great experience for our new teammates and freshmen.
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That plus DLG picking his pocket in practice videos. Sure, small sample size, but I have yet to see any evidence of PG level passing from Ty. I did see some of that Moretti in this recent video though.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
I take almost nothing away from these games good or bad.
Except maybe team-building chemistry.
These are good points you make, but I can live with a team of weak shooters as long as they know who their decent shooters (TSJ, Goode, and maybe Damask and Harmon). We can't have a bunch of guys that are weaker shooters (Hawkins, Rogers, Harris, Dainja) shooting many shoots from 15+ ft. The entire team is pretty good if they drive to the rim. Yes, FTs in tight games could be a problem. But if Underwood has the team inbound the ball to TSJ, Goode, and Damask near the end of the game and lets Rogers rebound, then it could work pretty well. Yeah, we could get beat by teams like Penn State last year, which had awesome 3pt shooting. But, overall, we just need to realize that we aren't a great shooting team and play defense and get lots of transition baskets.
Like the other reply to your post here, I couldn't see much here on Rodger's ability to advance the ball with a good, quick defender in front of him, a long way from the basket, like off inbound plays under the opponent's basket. Instead, this video showed Rogers bring the ball up most of the length of the court just one time (off what looked like a missed basket), in a case where no defender got in front of him. In that situation, he did what any guard would prefer (besides pass the ball), he turned to his strong hand (his right) and dribbled around the guy. Yeah, that isn't enough to tell where he's at as a D1 PG.
Underwood and his staff must know his situation and be working on it (partly, since Ty arrived as a freshman). What one needs to see is when he is forced to turn and use his left hand or forced to dribble immediate with his left hand. This is how you can evaluate where Ty is at in terms of being able to start at point guard against good BT teams. Basically, he has to be able to use his left hand (which is his weak hand), and he must do that without getting sloppy or risky. With a great defender 1-on-1 in front of you, the best technique is to face up and be able to take quick controlled dribbles with either hand. Each time the defender gets in front of you, you turn, changing hands, and drive with the other hand, or fake and continue with same hand, or dribble behind your back, or crossover dribble if you have enough space to do so, or pass, or use a pick, etc. There are a number of options, but great point guards use the safest and best techniques. They are lightning quick and smooth. I expect 6'6" to 6'7", former-forward Ty Rogers to struggle with this. And, yes, it could be a problem, just like it was for some other big IL guards, like Ayo Dosunmu, who was noticeable weaker with his right hand and used crossover dribbles too much in this situation that sometimes led to heart-breaking TOs near the end of close games. And Dosunmu was already a great guard and awesome with his left hand (similar to TSJ). So, yeah, this isn't easy for a lot of big guards.
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pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Ayo was VERY right hand dominant. He didn't have a left hand when he got here to the point that Pat Chambers was heard instructing his team "He can't go left" in a late game huddle. We all know what followed. He went left to win the game.
I dont know where you got the idea he was great with his left hand like TSJ unless you've been watching the games in a mirror. He was a righty all the way. Still is.
blackdog
- Champaign
Selective memory. There are multiple videos of Ty dropping dimes on the pick and roll in practice.
OrangeBlazer
- Atlanta
Where do I board the Moretti hype train? I've already bought my ticket.
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