dgcrow
- Kelso, WA
Rollins is a good ballplayer, but a little long in the tooth. He turns 37 this November.
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Rollins is a good ballplayer, but a little long in the tooth. He turns 37 this November.
orangeroses07
- Centralia, IL
I like to think he would be cheap, especially going to a contender.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
I think Jay can be traded, maybe not BIG return, but a return. The rest seems logical, but baseball is rarely logical.
dsboyce
- Golden, IL
I think Piscotty would look good in the 3 spot. I would also move Grichuk up. My line-up next year would look like this.
Carp
Heyward (we just have to re-sign him, right?)
Piscotty
Grichuk
Holliday
Peralta
Molina
Wong
Pitcher
Mets are pond scum...
... but go mets! Lol
... but go mets! Lol
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
I don't see this happening, but it would be nice to see 4 guys that can run at the top of the order. With Wong as the 8th hitter, it is pretty impressive.
We need a quality backup infielder, and there will be one available come November in Ben Zobrist. He'll be 35 in May, so I wonder if we offered him a 3-year $30 million would he accept? I hope. He is the quality backup at 2nd, 3rd, and even some LF.
He or asdrubal Cabrera would be a nice addition.
Last winter I thought we needed two upgrades. One was a first basemen who could hit for power and average. Matt Adams didnt look like a guy you can count on all season and through October. Still doesn't. On opening day he couldn't hardly even jog to the line to be announced. Also just to many strikeouts.
Piscotty might be fine at first but I like him in the outfield everyday since Holliday is on his last leg.
Second, I thought we needed a reliable 1 or 2 starter. I really hoped for Scherzer. We got lucky this year that Jaime came back strong. Wacha hasn't made a full season plus post season yet. Carlos was great but I hate his mechanics. I think we still need a 1 or 2 starting pitcher.
I was fine with Peralta last off season but I really want to see his potential replacement soon. Sounds like Mo is looking for better bench players. I think he'd be my bench player if I could find his replacement.
Piscotty might be fine at first but I like him in the outfield everyday since Holliday is on his last leg.
Second, I thought we needed a reliable 1 or 2 starter. I really hoped for Scherzer. We got lucky this year that Jaime came back strong. Wacha hasn't made a full season plus post season yet. Carlos was great but I hate his mechanics. I think we still need a 1 or 2 starting pitcher.
I was fine with Peralta last off season but I really want to see his potential replacement soon. Sounds like Mo is looking for better bench players. I think he'd be my bench player if I could find his replacement.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2015/10...st-hype-sleeper-to-end-all-post-hype-sleepers
Pretty interesting article. Jurickson Profar definitely seems like a real option, but only if he's healthy and the Cardinals aren't optimistic about Aledmys Diaz. There is a ton of flexibility with Mozeliak to work with this offseason. We'll see how it works out.
Pretty interesting article. Jurickson Profar definitely seems like a real option, but only if he's healthy and the Cardinals aren't optimistic about Aledmys Diaz. There is a ton of flexibility with Mozeliak to work with this offseason. We'll see how it works out.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
Okay, I am blocked at work from most sports websites, but was able to find this on how Detroit can rebuild their pitching staff. Taking $$$ into account, who would you want to add/keep (Lackey)?
http://www.blessyouboys.com/2015/10...rs-free-agent-rumors-david-price-zack-greinke
Right-handed pitchers
Player IP W-L ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 FIP fWAR
Zack Greinke* 222.2 19-3 1.66 0.84 8.08 1.62 0.57 2.76 5.9
Johnny Cueto 212.0 11-13 3.44 1.13 7.47 1.95 0.89 3.53 4.1
John Lackey 218.0 13-10 2.77 1.21 7.22 2.19 0.87 3.57 3.6
Jordan Zimmermann 201.2 13-10 3.66 1.20 7.32 1.74 1.07 3.75 3.0
Jeff Samardzija 214.0 11-13 4.96 1.29 6.86 2.06 1.22 4.23 2.7
Yovani Gallardo 184.1 13-11 3.42 1.42 5.91 3.32 0.73 4.00 2.5
Bartolo Colon 192.2 14-13 4.20 1.25 6.21 1.12 1.17 3.88 2.5
Marco Estrada 170.1 12-8 3.28 1.06 6.34 2.64 1.22 4.43 1.8
Mat Latos 111.2 4-9 4.92 1.31 7.66 2.50 0.81 3.46 1.8
Mike Leake 192.0 11-10 3.70 1.16 5.58 2.30 1.03 4.20 1.7
Chris Young 99.0 8-6 3.18 1.12 6.00 3.00 1.18 4.51 0.9
Ian Kennedy 168.1 9-15 4.28 1.30 9.30 2.78 1.66 4.51 0.8
Doug Fister 86.0 4-7 4.60 1.42 5.02 1.88 1.26 4.63 0.2
*Has an opt-out clause on his current contract.
Left-handed pitchers
Player IP W-L ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 FIP fWAR
David Price 220.1 18-5 2.45 1.08 9.19 1.92 0.69 2.78 6.4
J.A. Happ 171.0 11-8 3.63 1.27 7.84 2.37 0.84 3.43 3.3
Wei-Yin Chen 191.1 11-8 3.34 1.22 7.20 1.93 1.32 4.16 2.8
Scott Kazmir 183.0 7-11 3.10 1.21 7.62 2.90 0.98 3.98 2.4
Brett Anderson 180.1 10-9 3.69 1.33 5.79 2.30 0.90 3.94 1.7
Rich Hill 29.0 2-1 1.55 0.66 11.17 1.55 0.62 2.27 1.1
Chris Capuano 13.1 0-3 9.45 2.25 8.10 6.08 1.35 5.31 0.0
http://www.blessyouboys.com/2015/10...rs-free-agent-rumors-david-price-zack-greinke
Right-handed pitchers
Player IP W-L ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 FIP fWAR
Zack Greinke* 222.2 19-3 1.66 0.84 8.08 1.62 0.57 2.76 5.9
Johnny Cueto 212.0 11-13 3.44 1.13 7.47 1.95 0.89 3.53 4.1
John Lackey 218.0 13-10 2.77 1.21 7.22 2.19 0.87 3.57 3.6
Jordan Zimmermann 201.2 13-10 3.66 1.20 7.32 1.74 1.07 3.75 3.0
Jeff Samardzija 214.0 11-13 4.96 1.29 6.86 2.06 1.22 4.23 2.7
Yovani Gallardo 184.1 13-11 3.42 1.42 5.91 3.32 0.73 4.00 2.5
Bartolo Colon 192.2 14-13 4.20 1.25 6.21 1.12 1.17 3.88 2.5
Marco Estrada 170.1 12-8 3.28 1.06 6.34 2.64 1.22 4.43 1.8
Mat Latos 111.2 4-9 4.92 1.31 7.66 2.50 0.81 3.46 1.8
Mike Leake 192.0 11-10 3.70 1.16 5.58 2.30 1.03 4.20 1.7
Chris Young 99.0 8-6 3.18 1.12 6.00 3.00 1.18 4.51 0.9
Ian Kennedy 168.1 9-15 4.28 1.30 9.30 2.78 1.66 4.51 0.8
Doug Fister 86.0 4-7 4.60 1.42 5.02 1.88 1.26 4.63 0.2
*Has an opt-out clause on his current contract.
Left-handed pitchers
Player IP W-L ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 FIP fWAR
David Price 220.1 18-5 2.45 1.08 9.19 1.92 0.69 2.78 6.4
J.A. Happ 171.0 11-8 3.63 1.27 7.84 2.37 0.84 3.43 3.3
Wei-Yin Chen 191.1 11-8 3.34 1.22 7.20 1.93 1.32 4.16 2.8
Scott Kazmir 183.0 7-11 3.10 1.21 7.62 2.90 0.98 3.98 2.4
Brett Anderson 180.1 10-9 3.69 1.33 5.79 2.30 0.90 3.94 1.7
Rich Hill 29.0 2-1 1.55 0.66 11.17 1.55 0.62 2.27 1.1
Chris Capuano 13.1 0-3 9.45 2.25 8.10 6.08 1.35 5.31 0.0
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Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
OK, after getting that info, I logged onto Viva El Birdos, apparently Mo is not looking to add starting pitching this Winter. May hold onto Lackey or Garcia. Garcia would be cheaper and easier (it's a club option I believe), if you knew he would be healthy, I like the option. However, I don't trust his health. I would love for him to be one of 6 starters that the team feels confident in. Is that realistic?
This is why Mo drives me nuts as a Cards fan. His talks about upgrades is just that; talk. Loves his staff as is. Everyone has someone they'd rather have.
What we hear from him publicly probably isn't the truth. It would not shock me if we went after another starter.
What starter would you want?
Grienke is probably the best available and we will say he is out of our reach. Price has shown an interest in being a Cardinal. He will also be beyond our pay scale. I look forward to watching MLB network in the offseason to see who else is available.
I'm also interested in first basemen who are available.
Someone is going to pay big time for him so in reality he could be out of reach. I don't want DeWitt paying $25 mil/season for a 32-year-old pitcher. Especially if he hasn't been in our organization.
I want Zimmerman the most. He had a good, but not great year (could get him for cheaper). His BABIP was the highest its ever been, so he was unlucky; as was his FIP, which means the fielding behind him wasn't the best at all. Which we know the Nats defense wasn't very good. I would be inclined to give him closer to $25 mil/year than Greinke cause of age, and he would pitch better here in a pitchers friendly ballpark.
I do not want to touch Cueto (think he has serious shoulder issues), and Price (crumbles under pressure).
I dont think greinke would be too welcome in stl anyway after the comments he's made about the team in the past. Also doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would be a good fit in the clubhouse. Also no cueto for obvious reasons.
Ryllini
- Lombard
Well boys, we had another hell of a season. With everything our team went through, I couldn't be more proud to be a Cards fan and at the end of the day we are the only team hanging a banner in the stadium from the Central, a Division Championship.
Next season, I hope we are able to sign J-Hey, we atleast should be able to drive the market up for another team that wants to snag him. The same could be said for the impending free agent, David Price.
The pitching staff going into next year is a good one, but do think one of Wacha or Lynn should be moved, preferably Lynn. There are times when you have to adjust your ways to beat other teams as other teams have done to us. It seemed that we led the way with the straight power arms for a while and we blew some people away, but we have a team up north that can feast on fastball pitching. Obviously Waino, Martinez and Jaime have great stuff that can make any lineup uncomfortable and Marco should be in that mold as well. I know Lynn is going to work on his secondary pitches, which is a must if he ever wants to be a big game pitcher, but Wacha is the guy I trust more here. He has that power arm and his curve and other off speed pitches are there somewhere, I know I've seen it, he just has to trust it.
Getting Walden back will help a ton, Siegrest is tough as nails, but was probably worn down, and I would love to see Rosey mix in that nasty hook and change he has. That is a great 3 guys to anchor a pen.
Offensively, Matt Adams should probably be on his way out. Hardly any games played this season makes it tough to get a great return, but we should get what we can. I like Piscotty at first long term, especially if Heward sticks around, I think it is easier to get quality in the outfield on the cheap than at 1st. The core of Heyward, Holliday, Grichuk and Pham is something to be exited about. Peralta is aging boys, I like the idea of Asdrubel Cabrera to spell him, say Jhonny plays 5 days a week unless he is on a tear and a guy like Cabrera getting the other two. I like Marps power this year, but the K's were up, typical when you hit more dongs, but the guy who need to put it all together is Wong. He had a nice first half, but really seemed to slow in the 2nd, especially in the power department. There was a time when he was paced to hit 20HR's, instead he stayed around 12 and wasnt doing much else.
We have the pieces here and Matheny is getting better. The 2nd inning of game 2 took our wind out. 5 unearned runs isn't typical of a Cardinals team and IMO that is where it all turned for us.
Next season, I hope we are able to sign J-Hey, we atleast should be able to drive the market up for another team that wants to snag him. The same could be said for the impending free agent, David Price.
The pitching staff going into next year is a good one, but do think one of Wacha or Lynn should be moved, preferably Lynn. There are times when you have to adjust your ways to beat other teams as other teams have done to us. It seemed that we led the way with the straight power arms for a while and we blew some people away, but we have a team up north that can feast on fastball pitching. Obviously Waino, Martinez and Jaime have great stuff that can make any lineup uncomfortable and Marco should be in that mold as well. I know Lynn is going to work on his secondary pitches, which is a must if he ever wants to be a big game pitcher, but Wacha is the guy I trust more here. He has that power arm and his curve and other off speed pitches are there somewhere, I know I've seen it, he just has to trust it.
Getting Walden back will help a ton, Siegrest is tough as nails, but was probably worn down, and I would love to see Rosey mix in that nasty hook and change he has. That is a great 3 guys to anchor a pen.
Offensively, Matt Adams should probably be on his way out. Hardly any games played this season makes it tough to get a great return, but we should get what we can. I like Piscotty at first long term, especially if Heward sticks around, I think it is easier to get quality in the outfield on the cheap than at 1st. The core of Heyward, Holliday, Grichuk and Pham is something to be exited about. Peralta is aging boys, I like the idea of Asdrubel Cabrera to spell him, say Jhonny plays 5 days a week unless he is on a tear and a guy like Cabrera getting the other two. I like Marps power this year, but the K's were up, typical when you hit more dongs, but the guy who need to put it all together is Wong. He had a nice first half, but really seemed to slow in the 2nd, especially in the power department. There was a time when he was paced to hit 20HR's, instead he stayed around 12 and wasnt doing much else.
We have the pieces here and Matheny is getting better. The 2nd inning of game 2 took our wind out. 5 unearned runs isn't typical of a Cardinals team and IMO that is where it all turned for us.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
Nice summary, however, the Mets did fine with power arms against the baby bears. I would like to add one pitcher and still keep Wacha and Lynn. Lynn is a GREAT regular season part of the rotation. He is a solid pitcher that stays healthy, throws 200 innings (ok, avg 189 last 4) and is under contract. For the back half of the rotation, that is great! Do I trust him in the playoffs, with a series lead, yes. So, I guess that means that the answer really is no. Having 6 pitchers that the team trusts, allows for injuries, which this team is way too familiar with. Here in Chicago, most fans/"experts" don't seem to interested in Price. I would be happy to have the magic STL playoff dust improve his playoff performances, his regular season is obviously great. If the redbirds do add a top of the rotation pitcher (does not need to be Price), only 2 of Garcia, Wacha, Lynn, Lackey should come back. If not a top of the rotation pitcher, keep Garcia/Lackey, Lynn and Wacha. No reason to get a different "solid" pitcher.
Waino, Martinez, Garcia/Lackey/top end free agent, Wacha and Lynn. Best available in system for 6th and 7th starters (yes, we know we will need them).
Regarding position players, Adams, can he go back to Memphis to build his confidence until needed? J-Hey, yea, pay for the man! I am guessing that he will do the Big Mac, Scott Rolen, Jim Edmonds, Matt Holliday thing and re-sign after seeing what a summer in STL is like. I would love for the SS for the future to come aboard for 2016. If the PTBNL at SS is ready now, Peralta can be traded to the AL, that is why the contract is structured the way it is. So that he would be very tradeable years 3, 4. If not ready to take over now, hopefully he can be a super sub and play 2nd, SS and 3rd to rest players. Definately need someone in that role.
I am surprisingly comfortable with this year's short playoff run. I know how depleted the team was at the end. I seriously doubt I will be as comfortable if it happens again next year.
Ryllini
- Lombard
Well if you look at the Mets and think their staff, yes you think fastball, but if you track them from about June until the end of the season the offspeed and breaking pitchers were very prevalent. The Cubs were somewhere near the top of slugging percentage against pitches 95mph and above, what did the Mets do? They adjusted. They are power arms that mix in their breaking and offspeed pitches well. Right now, Wacha and Lynn do not do that. Going out on a limb, they through close to 90% fastballs. That is why one of the two in my opinion should probably go. You don't build to beat one specific team, but if you are going to play your biggest obstacle 19x's you are conceivably going to have 8 starts between those pitchers that face said fastball slugging team.
O yea the Mets throw harder than any team by far, but when they do it is located perfectly. Their power arm in the starting rotation throw harder than Wacha and Lynn on average.
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I think DeWitt/Mo will QO JHey, then go hard after him. Something like 8/180. If the bidding gets too rich they will walk away and take the draft choice. I think they will approach Lackey with maybe a 2 yr deal, and if someone offers 3 or 4 they will walk from that as well.
Garcia staying/going will depend on what Lackey does.
I seriously doubt we get into any FA pitching negotiations.
Bourjos and Kozma appear to be gone, thankfully. We really need a solid backup at the MI positions. Some one who can play 4,5,6 reasonably well on D and hit well enough to be a rotation guy at those positions to keep guys from wearing down. Maybe that's Diaz, maybe we go outside for that guy.
I don't see Moss or Reynolds being back. Mo seems to be really stuck on wanting to see what Adams can do, and I see him in a platoon role with Piscotty at 1b, at least for the first half next year.
We need a legit LHP in the pen that can get Lefties out. Another RHP for the 7th/8th to go with Walden.
I see JJ and Pham as 4th and 5th OF's, at least until they see how JJ recovers with the wrist. If he can't hit then they will make a move of some kind in July.
My 2 cents.
Garcia staying/going will depend on what Lackey does.
I seriously doubt we get into any FA pitching negotiations.
Bourjos and Kozma appear to be gone, thankfully. We really need a solid backup at the MI positions. Some one who can play 4,5,6 reasonably well on D and hit well enough to be a rotation guy at those positions to keep guys from wearing down. Maybe that's Diaz, maybe we go outside for that guy.
I don't see Moss or Reynolds being back. Mo seems to be really stuck on wanting to see what Adams can do, and I see him in a platoon role with Piscotty at 1b, at least for the first half next year.
We need a legit LHP in the pen that can get Lefties out. Another RHP for the 7th/8th to go with Walden.
I see JJ and Pham as 4th and 5th OF's, at least until they see how JJ recovers with the wrist. If he can't hit then they will make a move of some kind in July.
My 2 cents.
Trading Wacha is crazy talk. He wore out, plain and simple. Look at fan graphs and you'll see he actually threw his fastball at an all-time low. He might have thrown his fastball more later in the year, but that's cause he wore out. Also, his change-up and curveball didn't have anything to them. It's a work in progress, especially his curveball.
You don't trade a 24-year-old pitcher who has shown he can be a top of the rotation pitcher. You trade Lynn, renegotiate with Garcia, and offer a QO to lackey but let him walk if he doesn't agree to the QO.
IIRC there is a handshake agreement with Lackey not to QO.
Ryllini
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I agree that I would prefer to keep Wacha as stated in a few posts before, but one of Wacha and Lynn need to go. I know Wacha can mix in some other stuff, but he hasn't found the confidence yet to do it. My point is, as of right now, they are extreme fastball pitchers right now without the secondary pitches to back it up. Wacha was effective a couple years ago in the postseason, because no team had much to go on and he was sent down earlier to go get a little curve and change, those pitches have since disappeared.
I love young Wacha, but right now those are two pitchers that a team like the Cubs who this season slugged the second highest against fastballs that hit 95mph +. My bottom line is get some effective secondary pitches are they are in trouble.
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