I'm at the point where I honestly don't think it's worth it to trade anything of value for a half season rental. Nothing we can get at the deadline is going to make this a championship team. If we can get some cheap pitching for expendable pieces fine, or if we can get someone who can help us beyond this season that's cool too, but trading away valuable pieces with years of team control just to shore up a wild card spot and an early exit from the playoffs doesn't seem worth it. This year's iteration of the Cardinals has too many flaws to shore up at the deadline without trading away the future.
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IlliniFan85
- Colorado Springs, CO
The way I've read it, it sounds like Helsley was unavailable last night so they had to go with Gio.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Quick hits: Cardinals cannot catch up to Dodgers, shut out for 11th time this season
LA takes series with 4-0 win by pouncing on Hudson late with three runs in right-handers final two innings, warping potential quality start into a more July questions.
Derrick Goold
For two days, in games that swung from bullpen triumphs to familiar bullpen tribulations, the Cardinals experienced what it was like to play from ahead of the Los Angeles Dodgers.
In the series’ finale, they learned about playing from behind LA.
They do not have enough to catch up.
The Dodgers, keen for the comeback in games, shut out the Cardinals 4-0 to come back from a loss Tuesday to win the series. The Cardinals have yet to win a series in July, and the series against the Dodgers showed how they stretched the roster thin to win one day only to have pitching coming up lacking the next and the offense take its turn in Game 3.
The Dodgers turned a smattering of six hits against Cardinals starter Dakota Hudson into plenty of runs for their starter, Tyler Anderson. The lefty pitched six shutout innings against a lineup that had no issues against one of the best right-handers in the league on Wednesday but could not muster much at all Thursday vs. Anderson, even with reinforcements from Tyler O’Neill and Brendan Donovan’s return to the lineup.
The Dodgers got what the Cardinals too often do not — extra-base thump.
Freddie Freeman doubled and scored for the Dodgers’ first run. Will Smith doubled home the Dodgers’ second run. And Gavin Lux homered in the seventh to eject Hudson (6-6) and set the final score by the end of the seventh inning. By the start of the ninth, the Cardinals had one extra-base hit. Dylan Carlson’s first-inning double Thursday was the only extra-base for the Cardinals in a 13-inning stretch that ended in the ninth inning.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
I think I am going to take an emotional break from the Redbirds for a bit. Still checking scores, just not investing myself into the results. Of course, sweeping Cincy would help get me back on the bandwagon.
They're 12-4 combined against the Reds and Pirates this season. As the Bulls proved during this past NBA season, it's easy to look like a good team when you're a bum slayer.
True. Can you imagine this team in the NL West or the NL East? Probably 4th place in either division. Heck, might even be last place if we were in the AL East. The NL Central is garbage this year which is why we've looked ok at times.
At this point, the only division they might be in a better spot than they are now is the AL Central.
IlliniFan85
- Colorado Springs, CO
And it's Matz's first start back which means it'll probably be at least a 5-0 or 6-0 shutout.
I know there's always the talk of the Sunday line-up but I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow's was more so with the All-Star break looming and another game not being played til Friday. Will probably see the bullpen get emptied out quite a bit too.
I know there's always the talk of the Sunday line-up but I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow's was more so with the All-Star break looming and another game not being played til Friday. Will probably see the bullpen get emptied out quite a bit too.
It's Cincy so the Cards have a 60% chance of winning. Ashcraft hasn't been all that special.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
BenFred: Cardinals' replenished pipeline should interest many and draw praise for Flores
Mozeliak nailed an under-pressure hire before the 2016 draft
A growing body of work proves one of the biggest mistakes in Cardinals history was followed up with a very smart call.Hiring former Cardinals reliever Randy Flores to replace disgraced ex-Cardinals scouting director Chris Correa after the Houston hacking scandal looks smarter every year. Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak nailed an under-pressure hire. Flores and his teammates in the Cardinals’ draft war room continue to deliver.
Carlson then looked around and named other members from Flores’ first draft class who are now sharing the clubhouse Carlson joined in 2020.
There is rotation member Dakota Hudson (No. 34 pick), Gold Glove award winning infielder Tommy Edman (No. 196) and catcher Andrew Knizner (No. 226). Former Cardinal Zac Gallen (No. 106) is now a key piece of the Diamondbacks rotation, after being traded twice.
The cost of the Cardinals being annually relevant is draft punishment. Baseball, like it or not, rewards its losers. The draft team Flores leads has received just seven first-round picks — none higher than No. 18 — to work with since he took over in 2016. While Cardinal Nation waits to see what becomes of shortstop Delvin Perez (No. 23 in 2016), four others already are helping the major league club: Carlson, Hudson, fast-tracked rookie slugger Nolan Gorman (No. 19 in 2018) and rising reliever (for now) Zack Thompson (No. 19 in 2019). First-round 2020 pick Jordan Walker (No. 21) was a heavyweight hitter in this year’s Futures Game at 20 years old, while 2021 first-round pick Michael McGreevy (No. 18) already has sped his way to Class AA, where the right-handed pitcher has a 3.67 ERA in nine starts.
And those are just the first-rounders.
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great read..................................future looks very promising for the Cardinals .......................................
Today's game postponed due to weather. Game will be made up as part of split doubleheader on September 17th.
IlliniFan85
- Colorado Springs, CO
Won't know now until Sep if we got shutout or not. Lol
I guess they technically did since the game wasn't played today.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
2022 MLB Draft, First Round Results
The 2022 MLB Draft is underway, and here is the full list of each team's selections from the first round. …
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Cardinals 1st rd pick...............22nd overall.....................
- St. Louis Cardinals: Cooper Hjerpe, LHP, Oregon State University
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when you highlight his name a pop up window shows a more detailed analysis of his skills......................
I never know anything about the kids.2022 MLB Draft, First Round Results
The 2022 MLB Draft is underway, and here is the full list of each team's selections from the first round. …
Cardinals 1st rd pick...............22nd overall.....................
- St. Louis Cardinals: Cooper Hjerpe, LHP, Oregon State University
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when you highlight his name a pop up window shows a more detailed analysis of his skills......................
My oversimplification of draft day is the players with the most talent are the high school kids. The kids who are closer to being MLB ready are the college kids. Lastly the players who are the greatest risk of reaching their full potential are the hs players.
One more thing, you can never have too many high quality left handed starting pitchers.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Bleacher Reports stated he may be the first college pitcher selected this year to reach the majors...................
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First Round (No. 22 Overall): Cooper Hjerpe, LHP, Oregon State
Cooper Hjerpe used a deceptive crossfire delivery and a polished three-pitch mix to carve up college hitters this spring, racking up a Division I-leading 161 strikeouts in 103.1 innings while going 11-2 with a 2.53 ERA. His stuff is not overpowering, with a fastball that sits in the low 90s and two solid offspeed pitches delivered from a low three-quarters arm slot. That limits his overall ceiling to somewhere in the middle of an MLB rotation, but he's the prototypical high-floor college lefty with advanced pitchability who should move quickly through the minors.
Grade: A
The Cardinals have a long history of drafting high-floor college arms in the first round—Marco Gonzales (No. 19 in 2013), Luke Weaver (No. 27 in 2014), Dakota Hudson (No. 34 in 2016), Griffin Roberts (No. 43 in 2018), Zack Thompson (No. 19 in 2019) and Michael McGreevy (No. 18 in 2021) all fit the mold. Don't be surprised if Hjerpe is the first pitcher from the 2022 class to reach the majors.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals draft Oregon State’s Cooper Hjerpe, lefty who defies bats, delights metrics
Taken at 22nd overall, Hjerpe had a school-record 161 strikeouts in 103⅓ innings.
Derrick Goold
LOS ANGELES — That “funky” delivery that adds spice to his fastball and has defied hitters, from Little League to major college, put Oregon State lefty Cooper Hjerpe at the nexus of what the Cardinals sought in the MLB draft and could see swiftly in the majors.
The advanced analytics assured the Cardinals that, unlike Hjerpe’s mechanics, there was nothing deceptive about his eye-catching statistics.
With the 22nd pick in Sunday’s draft, the Cardinals selected Hjerpe, who struck out a school-record 161 batters in 103 1/3 innings for Oregon State and won National Pitcher of the Year honors from multiple organizations. Hjerpe, pronounced “Jerpy,” went 11-2 with a 2.53 ERA in his junior season, and he fits both the Cardinals’ tried-and-true practice of drafting major-college pitchers with command and the new lens of scrutinizing numbers for outlying pitches.
“To the eye test, it looks unique. To the eye test, there’s velocity,” said Randy Flores, the former lefty reliever and current Cardinals’ assistant general manager running his seventh draft. “When you pair that with the pitch metrics available there is some agreement that makes you have conviction when you get to that spot in the draft that there really is an exciting player available.
“He performed to the eyes. And he performed to the metrics.”
Hjerpe, 21, watched the draft with family in his hometown of Capay, California, not too far from the capital of Sacramento. He logged a career-high 103 1/3 innings — 30 more than any previous season — but he has maintained a throwing regimen to be ready for the second half of the pro schedule. Hjerpe said he threw twice in the past week to keep his arm sharp. The Cardinals hope to get him signed quickly and on site in Jupiter, Florida, so they can determine his introduction to pro baseball and how many innings he’ll see.
After that, they’re open to see where his performance takes him and how fast.
“He has the chance to move quick for us,” Flores said.
Thanks for the insight Pruman. Please don't take this as being argumentative. There is nothing certain when it comes to the mlb draft especially pitchers. My question is- is it better to take a probable #3 pitcher who gets to the majors in a couple of years or take a younger player with more potential that gets there 3 years later but "might" develop into a #1 or 2 SP? As the article says, St Lou says the former. I can't say they are wrong. They certainly know more than I ever will. Thing is, we have been disappointed so many times by players who don't live up to their potential.
Not a one of these pitchers has exceeded expectations for a full year. IE: been a #1 or 2 starter. All have been the equivalent of a #4 starter over a full season.
Griffin Roberts hasn't pitched above AA. And that was only 4 innings.
Michael McGreevy gets a pass in this discussion.
Zack Thompson comments are based more on his minor league record.
Dakota Hudson has been injured but you can't be considered a #5 starter if you are on the IL.
In their overall careers Marco Gonzales and Luke Weaver are no better than a #3 starter and they may be closer to a #4 with a few solid games sprinkled in.
Not a one of these pitchers has exceeded expectations for a full year. IE: been a #1 or 2 starter. All have been the equivalent of a #4 starter over a full season.
Griffin Roberts hasn't pitched above AA. And that was only 4 innings.
Michael McGreevy gets a pass in this discussion.
Zack Thompson comments are based more on his minor league record.
Dakota Hudson has been injured but you can't be considered a #5 starter if you are on the IL.
In their overall careers Marco Gonzales and Luke Weaver are no better than a #3 starter and they may be closer to a #4 with a few solid games sprinkled in.