Even if it was illegal that’s not a defenseDoes that make it legal?
Even if it was illegal that’s not a defenseDoes that make it legal?
I’m ready, willing, and able to believe anything you say. Let’s have it!I have zero followers on Twitter, and could give you some crazy details about the lives of the WBB program and players...
Even if they 100 percent believe that TSJ is innocent, the University is not going to say, "Our star player is facing a rape charge that carries a maximum 54-year prison sentence, but we checked it out (how?) and think it's all bogus, so he'll be starting tonight."If I’m reading into this correctly…
Terrence’s camp strongly believes he is innocent, to the point that they feel they can prove innocence to University officials & DIA. Their goal is to get him reinstated ASAP
Terrence will likely still have this trial drag on for months longer… Terrence does not want to settle.
IF Josh, Brad & Terrence’s camp have evidence and strong strong belief that he is innocent their goal is to get him to play while the trial is ongoing and prepare for public backlash.
This is best case scenario for the short term I presume?
Looks like Deron WilliamsWho is to the right of Justin Harmon? It looks like three guys together at this game.
It’s DyShawn Hobson. Our Graduate Assistant.Looks like Deron Williams
This was a months-long investigation into a forcible rape allegation against a high-profile college athlete, which Shannons’s own attorney said he knew about and cooperated with. The police and DA have already interviewed everyone. If there was any physical evidence, they have reviewed it. They have the texts and DMs and social media data. If video exists, they acquired it.
How can I say I know this? Because that’s how a law enforcement investigation works. That’s what they do. They gather all the information they can. Then they make a decision whether to bring charges. Which they did here. The DA clearly thinks they have enough to prove the rape charge in court beyond a reasonable doubt. In the end, they might be wrong about that. But I can assure you what they didn’t do. They didn’t sit on an accusation for three months, and then drop a serious felony rape charge, and then say “hey now let’s go look into this and interview people and look for evidence and see if we can actually prove this case or not.”
This isn’t like a homicide where you have a dead body and a suspect standing over it where the police have to make the arrest on the spot and then work backwards to figure out what happened.
And yes I would imagine Shannon has a defense to the allegation—perhaps consent or perhaps something else—and that defense might be relatively strong or relatively weak. But a person who has been accused of a crime arguing that he didn’t do it and has been wrongfully accused isn’t the legal game-changer that some of you seem to be hoping. Defendants have defenses. The police and DA don’t believe the defenses and are confident they can prove guilt. That’s the whole point of criminal litigation. Which is the stage this is at now.
probably assuming the roles of wingmen, more than chaperoning nuns, I would imagineGetting caught up all the news from yesterday…No matter what actually happened here, the situation is just bad. This won’t be resolved prior to the end of the season (good or bad) so basically season is over (at least a special season any way).
There is one fact that I haven’t seen anywhere, where TF were Harmon and Redd? They weren’t protecting the #1 player on the team during a trip (ie just generally preventing dumb things no matter what), especially during a pivotal season for him.
To be honest, while I agree in principle, especially with regards to communication, I'm not so sure this can avoid "gray area" situations. There's just so much that goes into it, and even if there is enthusiastic consent at the beginning of activities, that doesn't mean that once things start commencing one of the people won't feel differently. And with how the consent laws are currently written in some states, if a person feels that any specific act taken was one they didn’t feel comfortable with, even it's entirely after the fact, it could be considered non-consent. And that’s not even considering when you add things like alcohol into the equation.Sometimes it's not stupidity at all. Sometimes it's a total lack of communication. If anyone has scoffed at the idea of enthusiastic/affirmative consent, now is the time to reconsider. Teaching that is the only way to really avoid these kinds of situations.
So, weird factoid about myself… I was a juror on not one, but two very major crimes cases (including the Curt Lovelace murder trial in Springfield).This was a months-long investigation into a forcible rape allegation against a high-profile college athlete, which Shannons’s own attorney said he knew about and cooperated with. The police and DA have already interviewed everyone. If there was any physical evidence, they have reviewed it. They have the texts and DMs and social media data. If video exists, they acquired it.
How can I say I know this? Because that’s how a law enforcement investigation works. That’s what they do. They gather all the information they can. Then they make a decision whether to bring charges. Which they did here. The DA clearly thinks they have enough to prove the rape charge in court beyond a reasonable doubt. In the end, they might be wrong about that. But I can assure you what they didn’t do. They didn’t sit on an accusation for three months, and then drop a serious felony rape charge, and then say “hey now let’s go look into this and interview people and look for evidence and see if we can actually prove this case or not.”
This isn’t like a homicide where you have a dead body and a suspect standing over it where the police have to make the arrest on the spot and then work backwards to figure out what happened.
And yes I would imagine Shannon has a defense to the allegation—perhaps consent or perhaps something else—and that defense might be relatively strong or relatively weak. But a person who has been accused of a crime arguing that he didn’t do it and has been wrongfully accused isn’t the legal game-changer that some of you seem to be hoping. Defendants have defenses. The police and DA don’t believe the defenses and are confident they can prove guilt. That’s the whole point of criminal litigation. Which is the stage this is at now.
We are getting into theoretical situations here, which is silly.Even if it was illegal that’s not a defense
I would assume noI assume Josh’s press conference will be aired on BTN..?
So, weird factoid about myself… I was a juror on not one, but two very major crimes cases (including the Curt Lovelace murder trial in Springfield).
I will tell you right now that what the DA/state/etc thinks is good evidence… is often times not. I have twice seen the state bring charges against a person where the evidence was sketchy at best.
I have to imagine in a situation like this, evidence is even less than that.
Understood. Not to get too graphic but I was referring to penetration which is needed for rape to occur. I don't think you can rape someone through their clothes.Sorry to say naive. Lots of hook ups of varying levels happen in bars (and other public places) all the time
I also heard she jay walked heading into the bar, this whole case might get thrown outYeah. That’s a good defense. She was too young to be there. Really?
Any kind of touching of the female sex organ (their words) can be counted as penetration.Understood. Not to get too graphic but I was referring to penetration which is needed for rape to occur. I don't think you can rape someone through their clothes.
Fondle, yes.
It would do absolutely nothing to their legacy.So yeah...Josh and Brad have known about this since September and allowed TJ to play and be around the team/Illini Athletics. Do you really think they would stake their entire reputation solely based on believing TJ's side of the story? They have a lot more evidence pointing to his innocence than is being let out right now.
What would happen to JW & Brad's legacy if TJ gets convicted of the allegations thrown his way and they knowingly downplayed it?
I will let you ponder on that one.
Just a horrible situation all around right now...