The 2014 Illini Nike Uniforms and Rebrand

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illini39

Barrington, IL
I think the grey stays as long as it is in. Uniforms can and will change. the core of the rebrand will stay and serve as guidelines. I would think an updated "Victory Shield" could happen in the next couple years as well. We will see "Fighting Illini" on something if for no other reason than the feedback I am sure they are getting. Overall... I think it was a positive step with room for improvement.
 
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Kams Bathroom

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Not true. There have been baseball uniforms that have been all black, blue, navy, plaid etc. since at least the beginning of the National League.

Sure, but except for a couple of very brief exceptions, which used a kind of light slate-y blue in place of gray, every major league uniform was either white or gray from about 1918-1962. And before that, all colored uniforms were black, navy, everything sort of drab and flannel.

Check this out for a sense of how far-out those A's uniforms were when they first came.
 
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CardsIllinifan8

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2. Not even Nike believes grey is a neutral with no impact on the brand. If they were comfortable with just calling it a neutral they wouldn't keep creating alternate palettes for schools that include grey. But they did and they do.

What does this comment mean?

Forgive me for my ignorance, but if I am understanding you correctly... you don't like the silver/grey basketball uniforms?

No he doesn't like the silver/gray uniforms.
 
#730      

TroubleTheTractor

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I'm OK with getting behind Nike and adding aluminum as a new school color. After all, isn't introducing something new something we asked Nike to do?
 
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micahmccoy

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I was in Gameday and T.I.S. on campus today and both were really busy. I listened to some of the conversations, and it seemed like the students really liked all of the stuff. Everybody was buying up the shield shirts though. I was surprised to hear someone pointing out to a friend how they'd added the curve inside the Block I. Didn't expect people to pick up on that subtle change that weren't designers or hardcore fans.

I also was very skeptical of the font and two-tone look, but it does look significantly better on the shirts than it does on the screen. The peachy-red web rendering doesn't help.
 
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Kams Bathroom

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1. As I stated about the powder blues, I probably wouldn't have liked the trend part of it anyways. Trends encourage thoughtless design rather than meaningful design. That's what grey feels like.

Have you been working out with Nnanna Egwu? Because that is one hell of a hedge.

2. Not even Nike believes grey is a neutral with no impact on the brand. If they were comfortable with just calling it a neutral they wouldn't keep creating alternate palettes for schools that include grey. But they did and they do.

I don't mean to call you out or anything, but I was reading what you and others were saying about the rebrand on that sports logos board, and I was struck by how you design folk seem unable to separate the lazy, blithe pretentiousness and buzzword-speak of Nike (on which you are absolutely 1000% correct) from the successes or failures of the designs themselves. Just because Nike rolls up some hype machine about a "secondary palette" doesn't mean they aren't just playing with gray as a neutral color for now, for a bit, while it's the cool thing of the moment. That's absolutely what is happening.

When gray is no longer cool, we will obviously keep wearing it for 3-4 years as it becomes hopelessly lame because we're Illinois, but after that, it will disappear as if it had never been there, and you will never hear of it again.

3. All of the discussion about whether grey is or isn't acceptable as a neutral color still doesn't address this point: We have one instance of silver/grey appearing in the uniform (not including the circle around the I on the collars of the basketball uniform that itself is a bit off brand), so to randomly have a silver/grey based uniform is pretty inconsistent with everything else, and the fact that navy blue barely exists on that uniform only serves to accentuate that issue.

What if the only place gray appeared was on a road baseball uniform? Is it acceptable then? This is what I'm talking about about trying to have it both ways.
 
#733      

midastouch11

New York, New York
Tim Salem posted this from the locker room. Awesome combinations.
 

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#734      

Kams Bathroom

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Tim Salem posted this from the locker room. Awesome combinations.

YESSSSSSS

Having the combination on the right back (in our previous iteration the lack of pants striping always made it look wrong) is great, that's the most "Illinois" of combos IMO.

And that white jersey is going to look great white/white/white, orange/white/orange, or blue/white/blue.

The more I digest the more I like these football uniforms (and the less I like the basketball ones, if I'm being honest)
 
#735      
Tim Salem posted this from the locker room. Awesome combinations.

white over white is fine

but I dont like all orange, and Im not a big fan of all blue, but I am okay with it if it forces a team like scUM to wear all white or yellow over white.

blue over orange is the best, and orange over blue is pretty good too.
 
#737      
white over white is fine

but I dont like all orange, and Im not a big fan of all blue, but I am okay with it if it forces a team like scUM to wear all white or yellow over white.

blue over orange is the best, and orange over blue is pretty good too.

Not a fan of the Orange jersey/blue pants/blue helmet because it looks more like Virginia than Illinois.

The one on the right is great...an improvement on our most used combo. White with white is going to be awesome, and I love the stripes on the pants. Much better than the blob stripe or whatever that thing was on our old pants.
 
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Kams Bathroom

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This I love because I hate white pants with anything but a white jersey. Huge thumbs up!! Orange & Blue.

You don't like this?

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I know Clemson and others do it too, but that's the other one besides the vintage orange/blue/orange that feels "Illinois" to me.
 
#741      

DrewD007

Woodridge, IL
I've never been a fan of blue pants. Don't like the blue helmet either. It looks good, but it's just not Illinois to me.
 
#743      
You don't like this?

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I know Clemson and others do it too, but that's the other one besides the vintage orange/blue/orange that feels "Illinois" to me.

Personally, no. I never liked the white pants even with the all white (I'd much rather wear blue pants on the road, myself). Plus I always hated that some posters said that it made us "look faster" what the crap does that even mean haha.
 
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micahmccoy

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The Shield, man.

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I feel sorry for those that don't like the shield, because I think it's sticking around. The plain orange shirt with the shield is going to be standard equipment for the college freshman like the Chief shirts were ten years ago.
 
#746      

STL FANATIC

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Have you been working out with Nnanna Egwu? Because that is one hell of a hedge.

That's not a hedge. That's the truth. I didn't exist when those uniforms did. I can't objectively speak about how I would have felt about their existence back then. I think it's likely I'd have been annoyed by that kind of a change for the sake of jumping on a trend. I don't think any issue with "brand" would have caused any annoyance, though.


I don't mean to call you out or anything, but I was reading what you and others were saying about the rebrand on that sports logos board, and I was struck by how you design folk seem unable to separate the lazy, blithe pretentiousness and buzzword-speak of Nike (on which you are absolutely 1000% correct) from the successes or failures of the designs themselves. Just because Nike rolls up some hype machine about a "secondary palette" doesn't mean they aren't just playing with gray as a neutral color for now, for a bit, while it's the cool thing of the moment. That's absolutely what is happening.

When gray is no longer cool, we will obviously keep wearing it for 3-4 years as it becomes hopelessly lame because we're Illinois, but after that, it will disappear as if it had never been there, and you will never hear of it again.

There is a lot of factors that go into what makes something successful. And there's also the serious question (I don't have the answer to this) of how okay it is to cut corners and/or be imperfect if the impact of it is negligible.

I'm a perfectionist, and I think attention to detail matters—even when it doesn't matter. Which is every bit as confusing as it sounds. But basically, I think if you take shortcuts in some places just because you can get away with it, might you not do it somewhere that you end up not being able to get away with it?

Additionally, I do think there's the potential for some of the stuff I'm bothered by to have a noticeable impact. Not now, but down the line. Remember the whole reason we're doing this is because of how fragmented our brand had become.

Starting off with a fresh brand that already shows big signs of fragmentation and inconsistency may lead us back there quicker than we'd like. Fonts and logos are the piece that is relatively consistent, and in the case of the fonts, I'm afraid they'll be dated quickly.

So I guess I'm saying that I think some of those "little" things I'm complaining about have real potential to become real problems down the line.

But to your point, I'll admit there are other times I'm complaining about the littlest things that could never change and never matter, but it would still drive me nuts. Can't help it. I'm a perfectionist and I've got an eye for that stuff and I don't know. Just can't unsee it. An example of this would be things like LSU's or Auburn's "classic" uniforms. People love them, they may never change to any real degree, but the striping from element to element doesn't match. It never has and never will cost them fans, recruits, sales or anything else. But it just breaks a fundamental design principal and drives me nuts.

It's like the burnt out bulb in the room that has 4 other lamps. Doesn't matter. But it's irritating if you notice.

What if the only place gray appeared was on a road baseball uniform? Is it acceptable then? This is what I'm talking about about trying to have it both ways.

I'm pretty confident we just disagree on this being a principal, and that's fine, but my answer is yes, that is acceptable, and no I don't believe that's having it both ways. Because road baseball uniforms are conventionally a base color that isn't part of the rebrand, specifically grey. Like I said, we disagree on that principal, and that's ok.
 
#747      

JSpence

Evansville, IN
Can't quite put my finger on why, but those look like high school uniforms to me.

Could you imagine going through an 18-month rebranding and getting THOSE out of it? Man, we would deservedly every laugh we got.
 
#748      
Personally, no. I never liked the white pants even with the all white (I'd much rather wear blue pants on the road, myself). Plus I always hated that some posters said that it made us "look faster" what the crap does that even mean haha.

Haha, I don't know about faster. But an all white uniform does give the illusion of being bigger. Good intimidation factor!
 
#749      
Could you imagine going through an 18-month rebranding and getting THOSE out of it? Man, we would deservedly every laugh we got.

not sure what your beef is, but they look fine to me

please elaborate on your issues with them
 
#750      
I thought I read somewhere on here that the team was going with all black shoes? Is this true or was someone daydreaming? I'd like to see how those two combos in the back row look with white helmets.
 
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