The Illinois AD Search

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blmillini

Bloomington, IL
Ryan isn't the only person with that view on the AD search. Bernstein ("I don't listen to that troll" *rabble rabble butthurt*) mentioned it today during BnB as well. Said Kahn is pushing to have the athletic department run like a big boy school and get moving, use his private jet and go talk to people, but others want to hire a search firm and others want to do an internal committee.

Bernstein knows absolutely nothing about the university of Illinois. There is no change anyone that knows anything is every talking to him. Therefore, he is getting his information somewhere else or making it up. I suspect he is just running with Ryan's information.
 
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There actually hasn't been a ton of discussion of Mike Small. If he has interest, we could do a lot worse. Our immaculate, elite golf facility was largely his show, from the fundraising to the design to the implementation. Our Loyalty Circle muckety-mucks love him.

I agree, but i can't Imagine why he'd have interest. He's currently getting paid 180k (plus incentives I'm sure) to play golf for a living. There's not enough money in the world that would pull me away from that job to something as high stress as Illinois AD
 
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Bernstein knows absolutely nothing about the university of Illinois. There is no change anyone that knows anything is every talking to him. Therefore, he is getting his information somewhere else or making it up. I suspect he is just running with Ryan's information.
Agreed. I don't recall Bernstein being anything other than a blowhard. His "sources" have never seemed to be reliable.
 
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My opinion that has no basis in what is going on. The way the timeline should go- We should be hiring an AD within a week or two.

It doesn't sound like that is happening.
 
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Bernstein, The Tribune, and FootballScoop all are out of the loop as a few others have noted. The university has a clear plan they are executing right now and just because the talking heads aren't reporting it doesn't mean things behind the scenes aren't just fine. No need to worry, Illini fans.
 
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Bernstein, The Tribune, and FootballScoop all are out of the loop as a few others have noted. The university has a clear plan they are executing right now and just because the talking heads aren't reporting it doesn't mean things behind the scenes aren't just fine. No need to worry, Illini fans.


I wish I could believe you. If the clear plan is a Cubit mini-extension...
 
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I wish I could believe you. If the clear plan is a Cubit mini-extension...

I just don't understand the huge difference between what Kowalczyk says on Wednesday and then the Shannon Ryan story. I'm not sure how you read between the lines of Kowalczyk's interview and think that he's even considering extending Cubit. To me it seemed like he had made up his mind, but wouldn't announce anything until Sunday out of respect for Cubit.

So I don't know what to think of the 2-year thing. Perhaps someone leaked it trying to push the conversation a certain direction? I just don't know.
 
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I just don't understand the huge difference between what Kowalczyk says on Wednesday and then the Shannon Ryan story.

If you had Kowalczyk, Barb Wilson, Tim Killeen, Shad Khan, Jerry Colangelo, Rick George and Ed McMillan all tell you the absolute honest truth about what's going on right now, I'm not so sure you wouldn't get at least three different answers.
 
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Even if the talking heads are out of touch and don't have real information, the University clearly does not have a firm plan that they are executing on.

There are a couple of things here that lead me to believe this: 1) There have been so many conflicting smoke and mirrors stories out there that we clearly don't have a direction. 2) When was the last time we actually had a decisive and executed plan? Even the Bill Self hire was a bungled mess that we got incredibly lucky on. We wanted Kelvin Sampson bad and messed that whole situation up. Again, in hindsight thank God we screwed that process up and landed Self but still..

Basically our only hope is that we lead such a bungled mess of a process and end up landing the next up and coming coach before he is actually the next up and coming coach.

Simply not true. Self was their number one guy all along. This misconception continues to get perpetuated....not sure why, but it's fiction.
 
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RHITIllini

Chicago, IL
Bernstein, The Tribune, and FootballScoop all are out of the loop as a few others have noted. The university has a clear plan they are executing right now and just because the talking heads aren't reporting it doesn't mean things behind the scenes aren't just fine. No need to worry, Illini fans.

Oh, ye of little rational thought
 
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I just don't understand the huge difference between what Kowalczyk says on Wednesday and then the Shannon Ryan story. I'm not sure how you read between the lines of Kowalczyk's interview and think that he's even considering extending Cubit. To me it seemed like he had made up his mind, but wouldn't announce anything until Sunday out of respect for Cubit.

So I don't know what to think of the 2-year thing. Perhaps someone leaked it trying to push the conversation a certain direction? I just don't know.

Between Kowalczyk's interview and the reason for letting Thomas go, I think we have a good idea of what will be happening. Since we don't know the relationships of the unnamed sources, it could be to push an agenda, or it could be to write a story without any real news.
 
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My own opinion, and that's all it is, but having been a reporter for a number of years, I think Ryan (who is a great reporter regardless of what most people on here think)was told of the Cubit extension by someone in the gaggle of folks involved in this who don't want it to happen. The 2 year extension is certainly the direction some people want to go and those that are dead against it leaked it to cause the alums, fans and boosters who consider it a disastrous decision to go nuts in print, on line, in forums etc.
If so, it worked just like they hoped it would. Whether that's enough to make those can make the call to stop, is another matter. But Shannon has worked on the Illini beat long enough that she's got solid contacts and sources.
I also think it's like Second and Chalmers said yesterday. Definitely a Rashomon effect going on. Nobody in charge, everybody with a different idea of how the thing should go.
 
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Hoppy2105

Little Rock, Arkansas
Too many Chiefs (no pun intended :( ) not enough Indians.
 
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Wrong

It's not fiction at all. Kelvin was the top choice and a formal offer was made to him that he publicly turned down. RG went after him again after BS left. What a disaster that would've been if we ended up with him as coach.

You're dead wrong. I got this from the horses mouth...that never happened. Remember it like yesterday. Ask Kent Brown if you want to know the truth.
 
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Hoppy2105

Little Rock, Arkansas
So maybe Rick George wants to come here next year...right? RIGHT??
 
#393      
Bernstein, The Tribune, and FootballScoop all are out of the loop as a few others have noted. The university has a clear plan they are executing right now and just because the talking heads aren't reporting it doesn't mean things behind the scenes aren't just fine. No need to worry, Illini fans.


Care to elaborate on what plan they're executing?
 
#394      

Joel Goodson

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Well, the Cubit deal takes the time pressure off. Still, would be nice to wrap our next AD up relatively soon.
 
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RHITIllini

Chicago, IL
Well, the Cubit deal takes the time pressure off. Still, would be nice to wrap our next AD up relatively soon.

yeah, the current regime needs to go.. yesterday was proof that they didn't have the stones to make a bold move. Instead they defaulted on the easy way out.
 
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yeah, the current regime needs to go.. yesterday was proof that they didn't have the stones to make a bold move. Instead they defaulted on the easy way out.


I have heard several people say this type of thing. I don't understand how this is the easy way out. To me this is the risky way. There may not be much left in two years. I know we are already bad. But to me the easy thing is to do what you need to now. Hire an AD now. You have had plenty of time. And then hire a new coach quickly. But that didn't happen. People say that can't happen that quickly. But it can. If you go after the right person and make it clear that the program is theirs to shape.
 
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I have heard several people say this type of thing. I don't understand how this is the easy way out. To me this is the risky way. There may not be much left in two years. I know we are already bad. But to me the easy thing is to do what you need to now. Hire an AD now. You have had plenty of time. And then hire a new coach quickly. But that didn't happen. People say that can't happen that quickly. But it can. If you go after the right person and make it clear that the program is theirs to shape.

Because they don't have to make a real hire, don't risk hiring a coach a new AD won't like, etc. We hired a crappy coach instead who was already here, and doomed the program for a while. Great
 
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I have heard several people say this type of thing. I don't understand how this is the easy way out. To me this is the risky way. There may not be much left in two years. I know we are already bad. But to me the easy thing is to do what you need to now. Hire an AD now. You have had plenty of time. And then hire a new coach quickly. But that didn't happen. People say that can't happen that quickly. But it can. If you go after the right person and make it clear that the program is theirs to shape.

At worst, Cubit is a dead man walking with new AD. More likely that Cubit is a stand up guy who agreed to keep the program afloat while we hire an AD.

The real dagger to the program was the delay in releasing MT. Inexcusable.
 
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I have heard several people say this type of thing. I don't understand how this is the easy way out. To me this is the risky way. There may not be much left in two years. I know we are already bad. But to me the easy thing is to do what you need to now. Hire an AD now. You have had plenty of time. And then hire a new coach quickly. But that didn't happen. People say that can't happen that quickly. But it can. If you go after the right person and make it clear that the program is theirs to shape.

It's easy because they kicked the can down the road. The future chancellor, AD, coach, players, and any remaining fans will have to deal with this program in 2 years: not Wilson, not Kowalczyk, and not Cubit.
 
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I have heard several people say this type of thing. I don't understand how this is the easy way out. To me this is the risky way. There may not be much left in two years. I know we are already bad. But to me the easy thing is to do what you need to now. Hire an AD now. You have had plenty of time. And then hire a new coach quickly. But that didn't happen. People say that can't happen that quickly. But it can. If you go after the right person and make it clear that the program is theirs to shape.

You've conflated "easy" with "risky" those are different things. I agree this could be the riskier choice in the long run.
 
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