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Yeah, but until you cross, there's no winning.
You know what else happens when you competently cross that line? Lots of wins for everyone involved. And not just in games.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Heard about <> actually happened.
Iowa fans heard about Deon getting a Blazer, cash, and whatever else those rumors wound up being, and none of that resulted in UIUC getting sanctions. Pizza, of all things, got us sanctions.
But that's not to say that KU hasn't developed a finely tuned shenanigans machine. Larry Brown should get a big chunk of that credit.
Also, John Groce brought a knife to several gunfights, not a wet noodle. He also won his share of knife fights.
Why would we want Enfield?
http://sports.terra.com/meet-fgcu-c...fb5c620a2398d310VgnVCM20000099cceb0aRCRD.html
I'm going to guess that she wants to stay in California.
Lol, this seems so out of character for you, Combes.
There's been some whispers about Drew and recruiting, but you have to wonder how much of that is guilt by association due to the scum pond that is Baylor athletics.
Really, he's about the only high-profile individual associated with that school to have any shred of good reputation left to him, and you can certainly see why he'd want to get away from that taint.
On the other hand, any AD would have to be concerned that the Baylor taint would travel with him. One news report of the kind that has been eminating from Waco on an almost weekly basis for about three years now would be enough to bring your new basketball hire crashing down on you.
I could see Drew as coach, but Whitman would have to engage in some "extreme vetting" before making that hire.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Gotta love the realists who swoop in to save us all from ourselves!!!!
Playing exactly by the rules.
Well really it depends on your opinion who the home run hire would be. I wouldn't call Drew or Williams home run hires with their questionable ethics/character issues.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Pizza vs an SUV
You're not wrong. It was a bold and exceptional move that was very much "right place, right time". Plenty of casual fans will set that as a standard, unfortunately.
Read back on the thread. Certainly some questionable ethics.
Depends on the kid. A little bit of money here or there, a job for whoever, some funds flowing back to somebody's AAU program for "scouting", whatever.
The struggle for Illinois is for places like Kentucky and Kansas, the head coaches don't even need to know about this stuff. It just gets done. We have allies out there, but not miracle workers like the blue bloods have.
And again, this isn't every kid. Nor are all the ways you can benefit a player and their family necessarily against the rules.
I haven't read everyone's comments yet, but I hope I am not the only one who sees a problem with this. The problem isn't the lesson in learning to negotiate and use leverage, but the lesson of cheating when it is to your advantage.
I have a problem with a parent who tells their child "It is against the rules, but hey, look at how it benefits you! Go for it!"
waiting for the ..."but everyone is doing it already." comment.
As has been discussed, he didn't flippantly throw out the 4.5 and 2.5 million dollar figures during the press conference. I believe he has two categories of coaches that he is targeting. Monty Williams was the first target, yes, but it is definitely not Monty or bust. He has a plan, and it will not be dragged out.
Billy Donovan would be another one
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
I do wish that they were wrong more often. I try to be optimistic, and am again so for this search.
:thumb:
I don't present this as evidence he is the guy for the job, or even that it is a valid way to judge a coach. It's just numbers.
Martin's record when expunging his first season at each school (his worst at each stop):
Missouri State: 50-21 (23-13)
Tennessee: 44-26 (22-14)
California: 44-23 (22-14)
Total: 138-70 (67-41)
That's not bad. It's not Bill Self, but it's Tom Crean. Maybe we need a Tom Crean before we can get another Bill Self. He hasn't had a real chance to build his program his way over an extended period of time. He's only had short bursts, and after a year of adjustment he's performed pretty well at all three stops. Certainly much better than John Groce has ever performed.
This doesn't excuse obvious coaching deficiencies others have noticed. I am not familiar enough with him to offer an opinion on that. So, no, I'm not making a case for Cuonzo as the next coach. I am, however, making a case that if UI indeed is forced to settle on him, it's not nearly as bad (at face value) as some are suggesting. Given his reputation as a recruiter, with ties to both the STL and Indy areas, as well as mining Chicago for Charlie Moore, and his supposed high regard and desire for the job, he could be a very good consolation prize. I am okay with a guy who might not get UI to the top level, but merely gets the program back to a respectable level. It may be our most realistic hope at this point. The program has lost its luster. Think about what Crean has done at IU and ask yourself if you would be okay with that given how the last 10 years have gone.
All this said, go get Marshall or Miller or Bennett or Buzz. If Cuonzo is seen as a consolation, well, that's not too bad.
I have significant doubt.
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Not that this affects our search.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...h-florida-bulls-hires-brian-gregory-new-coach
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I'd be OK with Martin. Not my first choice (Archie Miller) but I'd be OK with any of Archie, Keatts, Mack, Martin, or Capel. If Cuonzo is successful in recruiting, he will do very well.
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