Presser will be Sunday since we still have a game left.So were not waiting until Sunday now?
Presser will be Sunday since we still have a game left.So were not waiting until Sunday now?
So decision is done, just a waiting game.Presser will be Sunday since we still have a game left.
Must be Austin Clark?Yes.
Will we all be happy? Or just some? LolPresser will be Sunday since we still have a game left.
So much going on in this thread, feels like I'm constantly playing ketchup.
We are plenty patient. We gave Lovie plenty of time to build his time and classes and we didn't really see improvement after year 1. I really think we will be patient and at least give 4 full years and judge success by many things that aren't necessarily wins and losses.Agreed, which is why I think this program is a 4 year rebuild, at a minimum. That time frame works just fine at Buffalo, or Army, but is Illinois patient enough?
LL = huge risk. Not sure if he would be the next Tressel or pick a name from many who couldn’t translate to power 5. Seems to me JW would have to be very convinced it will work to take this chance.
It's Urban Meyer isn't itYes.
I agree. I definitely side on the aggressive side.Good point...just don't like the idea of another " up n comer" from small school. Prefer someone established in the P5 as either HC, OC, DC or similar. Can't take a safe chance pick, clock is ticking, we are so far, far behind...we need to think aggressive
If it's Urban Meyer, I'm buying season tickets for the next 5 seasons on Sunday.It's Urban Meyer isn't it
Good point. Like a "flirted with bigger programs, here's your raise" kind of thing?I know that, timing is what is interesting
My objection is solely due to his offensive style. Maybe his time in the NFL would work in the same way that it worked with Nick Saban. Saban really opened his offense up when he came back from the Dolphins.So is the objection to Bielema his ability to win or his character. Some here are saying it’s his character. I’m asking if some of these same people are ok with Leach’s character.
Don't forget BB is a defensive guy. I think he'd be more open when it comes to offensive schemes. I'd assume he would shy away from the super fast spread stuff, but that's more a timing thing than scheme thing.My objection is solely due to his offensive style. Maybe his time in the NFL would work in the same way that it worked with Nick Saban. Saban really opened his offense up when he came back from the Dolphins.
Agreed. People want to excuse his record at Arkansas because of being in the SEC West, which is fair, but he didn't recruit well at Arkansas at all. He doesn't "check all the boxes" for me.I am really confused on the Bret Bielema love? He took over a Wisconsin program that was 9-3 and 10-3 the two previous seasons, so he was coming from a position of success when he took the job. Not taking anything away from his success for his next 7 years as UW HC, but I don't think that situation was comparable to what he'd be taking on here. The far better comparison is his time at Arkansas, which was also a struggling program (like the Illini) and his results were far less than what I'm hoping for as an Illini fan.
Is it because of his midwest ties that people think he will be successful? I think this is going to be an uphill battle for him and I think he is more of a gamble than many of the other coaches listed (Liepold, Monken, etc.). Due to our recent history of underachievement any coach is a risk at this point, but I would rather take my risk on a coach who took on a bad program and turned it around, rather than a coach who took over a successful program and kept it going (not to mention this same coach having the failure in a similar situation to ours).
Are you meaning in recruiting rankings or what he tried to recruit to Arkansas? He had top 30 classes but he failed in the fact that Arkansas cannot play the same style of smash mouth football as bama or lsu at the time.Agreed. People want to excuse his record at Arkansas because of being in the SEC West, which is fair, but he didn't recruit well at Arkansas at all. He doesn't "check all the boxes" for me.
Heard from a team manager that there is a team meeting @1:00 on Sunday.Presser will be Sunday since we still have a game left.
Not to be a downer, but this does not seem to be a Leipold-specific risk if we're being frank with ourselves.Leipold comes to Illinois with his D3 coordinators for a collective financial package much cheaper than the Lovie entrance, a much lesser splash, and brings in pedestrian, bottom tier of the conference recruiting classes, and in Year 2 we're one of the worst teams in the country, just getting easily run over by the Purdue's and Northwestern's. The stands at Memorial Stadium look like Covid never ended.
People who know football and Illini football history may be patient, but they're the ones in the stands anyway (well, pre-2020). You can't build additional excitement by preaching patience to this kind of fan base.We are plenty patient. We gave Lovie plenty of time to build his time and classes and we didn't really see improvement after year 1. I really think we will be patient and at least give 4 full years and judge success by many things that aren't necessarily wins and losses.
RIP your inbox...Presser will be Sunday since we still have a game left.
wiLL we be happy?Presser will be Sunday since we still have a game left.
There is a great deal of truth to this, but there's also the memory of Year 2 under Zook, which on Wikipedia is 2-10, but living through it was a moment in which everyone walked out of that Ohio State game knowing we were on the right track with light rapidly growing at the end of the tunnel. Not just recruiting, it was right there to see on the field too.Not to be a downer, but this does not seem to be a Leipold-specific risk if we're being frank with ourselves.
I'm not sure there is a coach in the nation that turns this ship around in less than 2 years. My expectations for the next 2 years are very very low.Not to be a downer, but this does not seem to be a Leipold-specific risk if we're being frank with ourselves.